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From: Sherm Pendley on 5 Apr 2010 16:15 Michelle Steiner <michelle(a)michelle.org> writes: > In article <m2bpdxah4z.fsf(a)shermpendley.com>, > Sherm Pendley <spamtrap(a)shermpendley.com> wrote: > >> > You're apparently forgetting about Occam's Razor. >> >> No, just remembering the correct definition of the words "fact" and >> "belief." > > Well, I haven't said that it is a fact that there is no other side. Then you're not the person I'm disagreeing with here. :-) > However, the fact is that there is no evidence that there is an other side > and that there is no way to prove that there is one. Nor is there any evidence that points the other direction. Lack of proof makes it, by definition, a question of faith rather than facts. > For all practical > purposes, the difference here between fact and belief is moot. That difference is *precisely* what I'm talking about. What Ian happens to believe, and whether or not I agree with it, is immaterial. I'm simply arguing against the use of the word "fact" to describe something that has not been proven one way or another. sherm--
From: Mike Rosenberg on 5 Apr 2010 16:45 Nick Naym <nicknaym@_remove_this_gmail.com.invalid> wrote: > You're wasting your breath. I'd be breathing just the same whether I typed all that or not, and I enjoyed doing it. -- My latest dance performance <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_9pudbFisE> Mac and geek T-shirts & gifts <http://designsbymike.net/shop/mac.cgi> Prius shirts/bumper stickers <http://designsbymike.net/shop/prius.cgi>
From: Mike Rosenberg on 5 Apr 2010 16:45 <VAXman-(a)SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote: > >> What do you mean by Passover? > > > >You seriously don't know what Passover is? How can you claim to know > >anything about the Bible or Christianity without knowing about Passover? > >Passover is central to the Easter parable! > > What about all the other "parables" in that text before it? What about them? We can discuss them individually. -- My latest dance performance <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_9pudbFisE> Mac and geek T-shirts & gifts <http://designsbymike.net/shop/mac.cgi> Prius shirts/bumper stickers <http://designsbymike.net/shop/prius.cgi>
From: Nick Naym on 5 Apr 2010 16:50 In article michelle-72DE18.10044705042010(a)news.eternal-september.org, Michelle Steiner at michelle(a)michelle.org wrote on 4/5/10 1:04 PM: > In article <m2hbnp6gbe.fsf(a)shermpendley.com>, > Sherm Pendley <spamtrap(a)shermpendley.com> wrote: > >>> There is no "other side", a fact which >> >> ... is a belief, not a fact. Absence of proof is not proof of absence. > > The fact is that in all of recorded and oral histories, there has been no > evidence of an other side. It's a human concept, invented to "explain" and "comfort." > Occam's Razor leads me to conclude that there is no other side. Occam's Razor is, however, no more a "fact" than is "the other side." > However, if there is an other side, we have no idea of which religion's > version of the other side it is, nor do we have any way of finding out. Even if there is, I seriously doubt that _any_ religion "has it right." How could it, unless its origins were based on "divine intervention." (Which brings us back to "explain" and "comfort.") In the meantime, the Western religions have a history of creating much human misery battling each other and converting the Heathens "in the name of God." And the other religions -- especially those of the "primitive" societies -- are laughed at and dismissed out of hand as being the product of simple peoples' imaginations. > Then there's Pascal's wager. If there isn't an other side, but we act as > if there were one, what harm has happened? But if there is an other side, > and we act as if there weren't, what will happen to use when we get there? > The folks who regularly play the Lottery use similar reasoning: "Since 'someone' has to win, why not buy a ticket?" > Considering Occam's Razor, though, I'll take that wager because I doubt > that God is the spoiled brat that's portrayed in the Bible. He (hmmm..."She?") sure has a massive ego, and (at one time, at least) expected Sacrificial Lambs in return for good favor. -- iMac (27", 3.06 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4 GB RAM, 1 TB HDD) � OS X (10.6.3)
From: Nick Naym on 5 Apr 2010 16:50
In article slrnhrk7hl.2udv.ianji33(a)zenatode.org.uk, Ian Gregory at ianji33(a)googlemail.com wrote on 4/5/10 1:30 PM: > On 2010-04-05, Sherm Pendley <spamtrap(a)shermpendley.com> wrote: >> Ian Gregory <ianji33(a)googlemail.com> writes: >> >>> There is no "other side", a fact which >> >> ... is a belief, not a fact. Absence of proof is not proof of absence. > > Whatever. I believe that it is a fact. > > Ian Do you also believe in angels? -- iMac (27", 3.06 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4 GB RAM, 1 TB HDD) � OS X (10.6.3) |