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From: TaliesinSoft on 22 Dec 2009 14:13 On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:58:02 -0600, Robert Haar wrote (in article <C75680EA.481FEC%bobhaar(a)me.com>): > On 12/22/09 1:31 PM, "Nick Naym" <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote: [responding to the following comment made in the preceding posting in this thread] >> Compared to the US, _everybody_ has better healthcare. > > No _everybody_ but at least all the people in the developed nations of the > world. What comes to mind is that within the United States we have one of the world's foremost problems with obesity. Given that whether or not one is obese is something almost completely under control of the individual I would think that the overall position of health care in the United States would likely be better than it is if only more persons in this country took better care of themselves. -- James Leo Ryan --- Austin, Texas --- taliesinsoft(a)me.com
From: Kurt Ullman on 22 Dec 2009 14:34 In article <0001HW.C756766F0045CC13B01029BF(a)News.Individual.NET>, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft(a)me.com> wrote: > On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:58:02 -0600, Robert Haar wrote (in article > <C75680EA.481FEC%bobhaar(a)me.com>): > > > On 12/22/09 1:31 PM, "Nick Naym" <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote: > > [responding to the following comment made in the preceding posting in this > thread] > > >> Compared to the US, _everybody_ has better healthcare. > > > > No _everybody_ but at least all the people in the developed nations of the > > world. > > What comes to mind is that within the United States we have one of the > world's foremost problems with obesity. Given that whether or not one is > obese is something almost completely under control of the individual I would > think that the overall position of health care in the United States would > likely be better than it is if only more persons in this country took better > care of themselves. You also have an impact on infant mortality from the US's world-leading incidence of premature birth from the US's world-leading incidence of teenage pregnancies. You also have the fact that there is a much greater impact on life expectancy from the 16 y/o shot during a drive by than keeping an old geezer alive for a couple extra years. If I ever win the lottery one of the first things I am going is to give a grant to some school of Public Health to get some information on how we look on major indicators of healthcare after controlling for societally-induced things that are outside the purview of medicine. -- To find that place where the rats don't race and the phones don't ring at all. If once, you've slept on an island. Scott Kirby "If once you've slept on an island"
From: Howard Brazee on 23 Dec 2009 12:20 On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 08:38:39 -0600, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft(a)me.com> wrote: >> The obesity epidemic is to the Left what homosexuality is to the Right - >> an issue that has a large nurture aspect, but evidence shows to be >> primarily genetic, and one that they feel a Righteous need to "cure". > >Although there is a genetic aspect to obesity that hardly explains the >massive increase in obesity in this country (and in many others also) that >has occurred over the last fifty years. What it comes down to is that people >tend to be eating more and exercising less, issues that are generally >completely under the control of the individual, or, in the case of children, >their parents or guardians. While I can still point out the twins studies that seem to always show separated at birth twins to be the same weight, and to expensive programs designed to get kids trim, but failed - I will use the same argument that I use with homosexuality, which is "why should we care?". It doesn't hurt us. Of course there is a counter argument that it costs us all in medical care costs. But so does every activity that has an element of danger. Jack Williamson's "With Folded Hands" is my idea of horror. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: Su-Z-Q on 23 Dec 2009 07:05 In article <0001HW.C756766F0045CC13B01029BF(a)News.Individual.NET>, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft(a)me.com> wrote: > What comes to mind is that within the United States we have one of the > world's foremost problems with obesity. Given that whether or not one is > obese is something almost completely under control of the individual I would > think that the overall position of health care in the United States would > likely be better than it is if only more persons in this country took better > care of themselves. First we have a plethora of restaurants and all-you-can-eat buffets, sporting very tempting, highly-fattening, vitamin-deficient food. Next, we have a sedentary populace that sits at the computer or TV, while hiring out their yardwork and other physical tasks, and we even removed physical activity from the schools. Then we decriminalized being overweight and categorized it as normal, genetic, or hormonal. Obesity has exceeded smoking as a cause of death. It's killing us and all people think about is how to pay for their medical care and medications....medications usually designed to treat problems associated with obesity--such as cholesterol, blood pressure, impotency, heart disease, cancer and blood sugar. We are simply NOT facing the problem head-on. The REAL question to answer on a daily basis is this: ---> Do I want to live, or do I want to die? <--- If we truly WANT to live, then we CAN do what is needed. A reasonable diet and regular exercise is just not as much FUN, is it? It's time to grow up and act like adults. -- Facts are stubborn, but statistics are more pliable. Mark Twain
From: Howard Brazee on 23 Dec 2009 07:52
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 06:05:30 -0600, Su-Z-Q <reply(a)this.group> wrote: >First we have a plethora of restaurants and all-you-can-eat buffets, sporting >very tempting, highly-fattening, vitamin-deficient food. The obesity epidemic is to the Left what homosexuality is to the Right - an issue that has a large nurture aspect, but evidence shows to be primarily genetic, and one that they feel a Righteous need to "cure". -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison |