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From: Nick Naym on 23 Dec 2009 18:06 In article doraymeRidThis-8CB8CC.06551924122009(a)news.albasani.net, dorayme at doraymeRidThis(a)optusnet.com.au wrote on 12/23/09 2:55 PM: > In article <8i44j55cj89200laf43i9sm99dnqigtc75(a)4ax.com>, > Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote: > >> The obesity epidemic is to the Left what homosexuality is to the Right > > With the small difference that the one is not so bad for men's health > whereas the other is both corrosive to the people themselves and the > society at large (no pun intended). Including your poor sheep? -- iMac (24", 2.8 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 2GB RAM, 320 GB HDD) � OS X (10.5.8)
From: erilar on 23 Dec 2009 19:55 In article <0001HW.C756766F0045CC13B01029BF(a)News.Individual.NET>, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft(a)me.com> wrote: > What comes to mind is that within the United States we have one of the > world's foremost problems with obesity. Given that whether or not one is > obese is something almost completely under control of the individual I would > think that the overall position of health care in the United States would > likely be better than it is if only more persons in this country took better > care of themselves. And there are other countries developing obesity problems now, too 8-) However, despite the extremely good health care available to those who can afford it here in the US, the enormous number of people who can't puts us to shame compared to other developed countries. -- Erilar, biblioholic medievalist http://www.chibardun.net/~erilarlo
From: TaliesinSoft on 23 Dec 2009 22:36 On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 13:59:54 -0600, dorayme wrote (in article <doraymeRidThis-F02783.06595424122009(a)news.albasani.net>): > In article <0001HW.C757878F001EC7B3B01029BF(a)News.Individual.NET>, > TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft(a)me.com> wrote: > >> Although there is a genetic aspect to obesity that hardly explains the >> massive increase in obesity in this country (and in many others also) >> that has occurred over the last fifty years. What it comes down to is >> that people tend to be eating more and exercising less, issues that are >> generally completely under the control of the individual, or, in the case >> of children, their parents or guardians. > > You can't admit that that there is a big genetic factor and in the same > breath talk about how so "completely" something is under the control of > someone. But I stated "although there is a genetic aspect" not "a big genetic factor". I find difficult to associate the significant increase in obesity, especially in the United States, with genetic factors and not just poor management of one's physical self. -- James Leo Ryan --- Austin, Texas --- taliesinsoft(a)me.com
From: Mark Conrad on 23 Dec 2009 23:58 In article <C757FF98.4E39A%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>, Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote: > if health care is allowed to be totally unregulated -- > free, even, from the basic monopoly and antitrust restrictions and > regulations imposed on virtually every other industry -- then why > don't we farm out police, fire, sanitation, etc. to the private sector? Regulating it presents another huge problem. We could easily make health care much worse by picking the wrong people to regulate it. What is your suggestion for that gnarly problem? Mark-
From: dorayme on 24 Dec 2009 00:15
In article <0001HW.C7583DF6002A08CBB02A89BF(a)News.Individual.NET>, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft(a)me.com> wrote: > On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 13:59:54 -0600, dorayme wrote (in article > <doraymeRidThis-F02783.06595424122009(a)news.albasani.net>): > > > In article <0001HW.C757878F001EC7B3B01029BF(a)News.Individual.NET>, > > TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft(a)me.com> wrote: > > > >> Although there is a genetic aspect to obesity that hardly explains the > >> massive increase in obesity in this country (and in many others also) > >> that has occurred over the last fifty years. What it comes down to is > >> that people tend to be eating more and exercising less, issues that are > >> generally completely under the control of the individual, or, in the case > >> of children, their parents or guardians. > > > > You can't admit that that there is a big genetic factor and in the same > > breath talk about how so "completely" something is under the control of > > someone. > > But I stated "although there is a genetic aspect" not "a big genetic factor". > I find difficult to associate the significant increase in obesity, especially > in the United States, with genetic factors and not just poor management of > one's physical self. It is hard to know what you are thinking of as big or small factor. It is a big factor as far as I can tell from the science known and indicated strongly. So I will tell you what I mean by big. If millions of people have ample opportunity to eat as much as they like and all have equal opportunity to exercise and the millions that do grow really fat almost overwhelmingly have a genetic factor that the millions who don't lack, then it is a big factor... -- dorayme |