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From: Rowland McDonnell on 1 Jul 2010 21:19 Dr Geoff Hone <gnhone(a)globalnet.co.uk> wrote: > <pastedavid(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >(Rowland McDonnell) wrote: > > > >> The first of the new breed of big serious canals built for the > >> burgeoning industrial revolution, the one that heralded the canal boom, > >> was the Bridgewater canal - opened in 1761 to carry containerized coal. > > > >Nearly. Sankey Brook Nav opened in 1757. > Graeme has already mentioned the Exeter Canal of 1562/3, True, but it's not a modern industrial revolution type canal, is it? I've just looked it up - another ship canal, like the Newry canal you mention below. So a different sort of beastie to the Bridgewater and Sankey jobs. Moreover, it was built a few hundred years before what we now identify as the industrial revolution. It clearly wasn't any sort of precursor to what came later. > and there is > another that can reasonably claim to be the first modern canal - the > Newry canal of 1742. But that's not the type of canal that spread over Great Britain, though - that was another ship canal, wasn't it? And in Ireland, not Great Britain. Who rules what has nothing to do with it; this is a geographical issue to do with what bit of land is where and so on and also to do with the type of canal that we're talking about. > Since the whole of ireland was under British > rule at the time, I think that one counts. We're talking about transport on the island of Great Britain, aren't we? And we're talking about canals made for inland transport of industrial goods by boat - not bloody great ship canals. Ireland is part of the British isles, so one can argue that modern Ireland is entirely under British rule - the top bit ruled from the part of the British isles that is Westminster (and some local interference); the lower bit ruled from the part of the British isles that is Dublin. But really, that's just a matter of language - nothing to do with the geographical issues regarding transport on the island of Great Britain which is what all this was about. Rowland. -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org http://www.bmf.co.uk UK biker? Join MAG and the BMF and stop the Eurocrats banning biking
From: Rowland McDonnell on 1 Jul 2010 21:19 TOG(a)Toil <totallydeadmailbox(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Chris Holland <chr...(a)dutchtreat.net> wrote: > > The Older Gentleman pondered: > > > > > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-...(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > > > > >> Tunnels can be designed to be fail-safe. > > > > > Oh, my aching sides. > > > > What's so funny? If you made a tunnel deep underground, through solid rock, > > running under the Atlantic Ocean, what could go wrong? Lots, actually - but the engineers can design that sort of thing to be fail-safe. Redundancy and routes to safety and things like that. Yeah, why not have an underwater refuge? > > When has an > > underground tunnel failed? Read about tunnelling under the Thames.... Lots of times - but not if they're driven through solid rock. Thing is, an transatlantic tunnel would have to have bridges - yeah, bit tricky that. > > How many moles die each year in cave-ins? I bet > > you never thought of that. Rowlie has researched the topic extensively. Nope, he's just applied a bit of intelligence and read a fair bit on the subject. > Oh, he was yammering on about a book called A TransAtlantic Tunnel, > Hurrah! Early sort of steampunk thing. <pained> Not at all. Nothing remotely like steampunk, which is a modern fashion thing. It's conventional SF alternative history - nothing genre about it beyond that classification. It's real literature, I'll have you know. Rowland. -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org http://www.bmf.co.uk UK biker? Join MAG and the BMF and stop the Eurocrats banning biking
From: The Older Gentleman on 2 Jul 2010 02:20 Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > Not ancient canals, not ship canals, but modern canals of that sort - > with specific reference to transport on the island of Great Britain, > which is what this is all about. Just admit you were wrong - it's always the easiest and best solution on Usenet, and it saves having people point and laugh as you tie yourself in knots trying to justify what you posted as "right". -- BMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Honda CB400F Triumph Street Triple Suzuki TS250ER GN250 Damn, back to six bikes! Try Googling before asking a damn silly question. chateau dot murray at idnet dot com
From: The Older Gentleman on 2 Jul 2010 02:20 Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > > Oh, he was yammering on about a book called A TransAtlantic Tunnel, > > Hurrah! Early sort of steampunk thing. > > <pained> Not at all. > > Nothing remotely like steampunk, which is a modern fashion thing. Wrong again. It's a modern term, agreed, which (I think) postdates ATTH, but it's not just about fashion. > > It's conventional SF alternative history - nothing genre about it beyond > that classification. No? Coaldust-fired flying boats? Just admit you were wrong - it's always the easiest and best solution on Usenet, and it saves having people point and laugh as you tie yourself in knots trying to justify what you posted as "right". -- BMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Honda CB400F Triumph Street Triple Suzuki TS250ER GN250 Damn, back to six bikes! Try Googling before asking a damn silly question. chateau dot murray at idnet dot com
From: Rowland McDonnell on 2 Jul 2010 14:28
The Older Gentleman <totallydeadmailbox(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > > > Not ancient canals, not ship canals, but modern canals of that sort - > > with specific reference to transport on the island of Great Britain, > > which is what this is all about. > > Just admit you were wrong - it's always the easiest and best solution on > Usenet, and it saves having people point and laugh as you tie yourself > in knots trying to justify what you posted as "right". Why do you have to spend so much time making these personal comments? This newsgroup is for technical discussion - I've supplied some technical facts, and all you can do is say that I'm wrong and should admit it. Which is very odd behaviour - it's not like you've got any actual facts to back you up, you're just wanting to contradict me for the sake of it. Why do you behave like that? I can see that you've got a mental problem of some sort - the way you are unable to admit that I might possibly be correct about anything. Rowland. -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org http://www.bmf.co.uk UK biker? Join MAG and the BMF and stop the Eurocrats banning biking |