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From: Ant on 19 Sep 2009 01:57 So Windows 7 has the SSD drivers to be able to install. INTERESTING. I need to figure out if it is using SSD or a HDD (which type too). No wonder the disk size is tiny (7 GB!!). On 9/18/2009 4:25 PM PT, Barry Watzman typed: > NO, NO, NO. > > The problem is much simpler than that. XP can't access the DESTINATION > drive (in this case I think it's his SSD) because it's not IDE. > > Look, you guys are pointing the finger at the USB CD, and I don't think > that's where the problem is. During an XP install, some installation > files are first copied from the install CD to the destination drive (the > SSD) and then, later, are READ FROM the SSD to be installed or > "expanded" into other files. And, also, initially the XP install > accesses the destination drive (SSD) via the BIOS, but later in the > install access switches to XP's internal drivers, and unless other > drivers have been added, XP has no internal drivers for non-IDE hard > drives. > > ***IF*** the SSD is "SATA", then getting the F6 sata driver may fix the > problem. Otherwise, he likely needs a driver(s) that he doesn't have > and he may be out of luck. -- "Bother," said Winnie the Pooh, as the ants devoured him. /\___/\ / /\ /\ \ Phil/Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net \ _ / Nuke ANT from e-mail address: philpi(a)earthlink.netANT ( ) or ANTant(a)zimage.com Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer.
From: BillW50 on 19 Sep 2009 07:10 In news:V4SdnXe-cLh47ynXnZ2dnUVZ_gVi4p2d(a)earthlink.com, Ant typed on Fri, 18 Sep 2009 22:57:57 -0700: > So Windows 7 has the SSD drivers to be able to install. INTERESTING. I > need to figure out if it is using SSD or a HDD (which type too). No > wonder the disk size is tiny (7 GB!!). No, being an SSD or not has nothing to do with it. As SSD works just like regular hard drives as far as Windows is concern. What Barry is talking about is whether it is a PATA or a SATA device? If the latter, Windows XP doesn't have SATA drivers. So you have to find your own before Windows will install correctly. Vista and Windows 7 *does* have SATA drivers, so this is why they will install and why Windows XP *doesn't*. This problem exists whether it uses a SSD or a mechancial hard drive. As both drives come in both PATA and SATA versions. > On 9/18/2009 4:25 PM PT, Barry Watzman typed: > >> NO, NO, NO. >> >> The problem is much simpler than that. XP can't access the >> DESTINATION drive (in this case I think it's his SSD) because it's >> not IDE. >> >> Look, you guys are pointing the finger at the USB CD, and I don't >> think that's where the problem is. During an XP install, some >> installation files are first copied from the install CD to the >> destination drive (the SSD) and then, later, are READ FROM the SSD >> to be installed or "expanded" into other files. And, also, >> initially the XP install accesses the destination drive (SSD) via >> the BIOS, but later in the install access switches to XP's internal >> drivers, and unless other drivers have been added, XP has no >> internal drivers for non-IDE hard drives. >> >> ***IF*** the SSD is "SATA", then getting the F6 sata driver may fix >> the problem. Otherwise, he likely needs a driver(s) that he doesn't >> have and he may be out of luck. -- Bill Windows 2000 SP4 (5.00.2195) Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
From: Barry Watzman on 19 Sep 2009 08:05 Re: "As SSD works just like regular hard drives as far as Windows is concern." Not entirely true at the driver level. Some SSDs have either an IDE or SATA connection, but some have interfaces other than either SATA or IDE (PCI Express, for example). This matters to the OS at the driver level. BillW50 wrote: > In news:V4SdnXe-cLh47ynXnZ2dnUVZ_gVi4p2d(a)earthlink.com, > Ant typed on Fri, 18 Sep 2009 22:57:57 -0700: >> So Windows 7 has the SSD drivers to be able to install. INTERESTING. I >> need to figure out if it is using SSD or a HDD (which type too). No >> wonder the disk size is tiny (7 GB!!). > > No, being an SSD or not has nothing to do with it. As SSD works just > like regular hard drives as far as Windows is concern. What Barry is > talking about is whether it is a PATA or a SATA device? If the latter, > Windows XP doesn't have SATA drivers. So you have to find your own > before Windows will install correctly. Vista and Windows 7 *does* have > SATA drivers, so this is why they will install and why Windows XP > *doesn't*. This problem exists whether it uses a SSD or a mechancial > hard drive. As both drives come in both PATA and SATA versions. > >> On 9/18/2009 4:25 PM PT, Barry Watzman typed: >> >>> NO, NO, NO. >>> >>> The problem is much simpler than that. XP can't access the >>> DESTINATION drive (in this case I think it's his SSD) because it's >>> not IDE. >>> >>> Look, you guys are pointing the finger at the USB CD, and I don't >>> think that's where the problem is. During an XP install, some >>> installation files are first copied from the install CD to the >>> destination drive (the SSD) and then, later, are READ FROM the SSD >>> to be installed or "expanded" into other files. And, also, >>> initially the XP install accesses the destination drive (SSD) via >>> the BIOS, but later in the install access switches to XP's internal >>> drivers, and unless other drivers have been added, XP has no >>> internal drivers for non-IDE hard drives. >>> >>> ***IF*** the SSD is "SATA", then getting the F6 sata driver may fix >>> the problem. Otherwise, he likely needs a driver(s) that he doesn't >>> have and he may be out of luck. >
From: BillW50 on 19 Sep 2009 08:40 In news:4AB4C8EE.8040506(a)neo.rr.com, Barry Watzman typed on Sat, 19 Sep 2009 08:05:02 -0400: > Re: "As SSD works just like regular hard drives as far as Windows is > concern." > > Not entirely true at the driver level. Some SSDs have either an IDE > or SATA connection, but some have interfaces other than either SATA > or IDE (PCI Express, for example). This matters to the OS at the > driver level. I have seen PCI Express slot and many argue that Asus' PCI Express slot is really a Flash_Con slot and not really a PCI Express. Even though it looks just like one. But regardless, the Celeron models tends to be IDE (aka PATA). While the Atom models tends to be SATA type. At least with Asus models anyway. So while I can't disagree with you, I haven't seen any that weren't either PATA (IDE) or SATA yet, regardless what type of slot they use. -- Bill Windows 2000 SP4 (5.00.2195) Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
From: Happy Oyster on 19 Sep 2009 17:49
On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:27:44 -0400, Ben Myers <ben_myers(a)charter.net> wrote: >Not sure why one would need to fight a Windows install problem if it had >to do with existing partitions. One of the problems is that XP rapes the first partition. I had to use a Linux DVD to boot and to change the first partition to be of some off Unix type. THIS XP did not touch and in the first run of the installation copied its stuff to the second partition where it has to be. Making the first partition invisible does not work as then XP thinks it is in the first and messes up its boot record THE WRONG WAY. First step: To handle the HDD (has serial ATA) partition the HDD and format the partitions with Linux. THAT WORKS. Second step: Change the type of those partitions XP has to keep its fingers off to some wierd Unix type. Third step: As XP is damned stupid, IF you also want a Linux on the machine, install that as the first OS. THEN install Win XP. This way you can start (with the help of a boot CD/DVD (like Super-GRUB) into a working system to check the other partitions, etc. Fourth step: XP will mess up the MBR, so with the Linux DVD to boot, use GRUB and get the MBR stuff back to order. BUT to get that right, the partition types of "wierd Unix" must be set back to the right values BEFORE you can work on GRUB. If you messed up something, then a complete Linux installation will be the last step. Problems of the XP installer are that it messes up with partitions, reboot, etc. To get around this, use a Super-GRUB CD and for doing the second part of the XP install (which is from HDD): use the CD to boot from the Win XP partition. This works with serial ATA. There are TWO CDs which accompany the netbooks. One is the "recovery CD" with the pure OS (in a miserable state), the other is for the additions, drivers, etc. That one must be installed after XP is installed. I called a LG tech suppport because I feared that the OS CD already contains some special stuff for the machine. But I was told that I could use a totally neutral XP installation CD because all the specific stuff is on the second CD. Without the second CD, I'm afraid, one doesn't get very far: It contains the drivers for the chipsets and without these the machine is cut off even from the basic hardware... Aribert Deckers -- Charles Berliner: Geschichte der Anna�lle http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_anna.htm |