From: Happy Oyster on
On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 12:15:37 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50(a)aol.kom> wrote:

>In news:mqncb5l1vj7g93cngbjorvgab7nkt9ku3o(a)4ax.com,
>Happy Oyster typed on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:01:56 +0200:
>> It is not wise to take apart a working machine just to switch to
>> another OS, because an OS can installed on the HDD and it is only a
>> matter of some key-clicks to make the transition from one of the
>> installed OSes to an other.
>
>It depends on the machine. Some machines it is very easy to swap drives
>in and out. And I do it all of the time. And I never had a single
>problem yet. Great for verifying that your backups *really* can restore
>without touching the original drive. Or playing around with another OS,
>or hacking away with your current OS and not worrying about corrupting
>anything. Beta testing, etc. It is really great, you should try it on
>machines that this is made easy.

Srewing up a machine is easy. To repair it, not.

A lot of computer have parts, which are made to break when the computer is taken
apart. Laymen do not know about the construction of these traps, and it is not
wise to take such risks.
--
"Jael lud Sisera ein, * Lie� sich auf das Lager sinken,
ihres Zeltes Gast zu sein. * Jael gab ihm Milch zu trinken.
Vor dem Feinde auf der Flucht, * Sp�ter ohne gro�e Not
hatte dieser Schutz gesucht. * nagelt sie Sisera tot."
** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** http://www.reimbibel.de
From: Happy Oyster on
On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 12:39:50 -0500, RnR <rnrtexas(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>Prefer to use vmware to do this.... no swapping, easy to recreate
>drives(i have xp and win7 drives currently). Cost isn't really a
>factor since both cost (vmware vs. hd). The thing that sells me on
>YOUR idea is "safety" not testing. All drives fail eventually so I
>like the idea of having a spare drive.

YUP! Greetings from a VM! ;O)
--
"Jael lud Sisera ein, * Lie� sich auf das Lager sinken,
ihres Zeltes Gast zu sein. * Jael gab ihm Milch zu trinken.
Vor dem Feinde auf der Flucht, * Sp�ter ohne gro�e Not
hatte dieser Schutz gesucht. * nagelt sie Sisera tot."
** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** http://www.reimbibel.de
From: BillW50 on
In news:pspcb5tbvrcpdnrkh7j1qlvjtbo99ejv94(a)4ax.com,
Happy Oyster typed on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:42:08 +0200:
> On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 12:15:37 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50(a)aol.kom> wrote:
>
>> In news:mqncb5l1vj7g93cngbjorvgab7nkt9ku3o(a)4ax.com,
>> Happy Oyster typed on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:01:56 +0200:
>>> It is not wise to take apart a working machine just to switch to
>>> another OS, because an OS can installed on the HDD and it is only a
>>> matter of some key-clicks to make the transition from one of the
>>> installed OSes to an other.
>>
>> It depends on the machine. Some machines it is very easy to swap
>> drives in and out. And I do it all of the time. And I never had a
>> single problem yet. Great for verifying that your backups *really*
>> can restore without touching the original drive. Or playing around
>> with another OS, or hacking away with your current OS and not
>> worrying about corrupting anything. Beta testing, etc. It is really
>> great, you should try it on machines that this is made easy.
>
> Srewing up a machine is easy. To repair it, not.
>
> A lot of computer have parts, which are made to break when the
> computer is taken apart. Laymen do not know about the construction of
> these traps, and it is not wise to take such risks.

Not a problem for an electronic engineer like me. As I take mine apart
all of the time to modify and improve the design. Although changing the
hard drive in my Gateway laptops are very easy to do. Easier than
swapping the battery actually.

My Asus 702s and swapping out the SSD requires working with four or two
1x4mm screws. Not very hard for anybody who can change out the RAM in a
laptop. Here is a video of a Chinese girl swapping out a SSD and it
takes her like 4 minutes. She isn't very fast, but you get the idea
anyway. <vbg>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdm9iNtbhAg

--
Bill
Windows 2000 SP4 (5.00.2195)
Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC


From: BillW50 on
In news:gopcb5dcntj3fstggflgo9ur29gq9n897n(a)4ax.com,
RnR typed on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 12:39:50 -0500:
> On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 12:15:37 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50(a)aol.kom> wrote:
>
>> In news:mqncb5l1vj7g93cngbjorvgab7nkt9ku3o(a)4ax.com,
>> Happy Oyster typed on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:01:56 +0200:
>>> It is not wise to take apart a working machine just to switch to
>>> another OS, because an OS can installed on the HDD and it is only a
>>> matter of some key-clicks to make the transition from one of the
>>> installed OSes to an other.
>>
>> It depends on the machine. Some machines it is very easy to swap
>> drives in and out. And I do it all of the time. And I never had a
>> single problem yet. Great for verifying that your backups *really*
>> can restore without touching the original drive. Or playing around
>> with another OS, or hacking away with your current OS and not
>> worrying about corrupting anything. Beta testing, etc. It is really
>> great, you should try it on machines that this is made easy.
>
> Prefer to use vmware to do this.... no swapping, easy to recreate
> drives(i have xp and win7 drives currently). Cost isn't really a
> factor since both cost (vmware vs. hd). The thing that sells me on
> YOUR idea is "safety" not testing. All drives fail eventually so I
> like the idea of having a spare drive.

Sounds nice. But isn't there performance and hardware issues?

--
Bill
Windows 2000 SP4 (5.00.2195)
Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC


From: Ben Myers on
Happy Oyster wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 12:15:37 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50(a)aol.kom> wrote:
>
>> In news:mqncb5l1vj7g93cngbjorvgab7nkt9ku3o(a)4ax.com,
>> Happy Oyster typed on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:01:56 +0200:
>>> It is not wise to take apart a working machine just to switch to
>>> another OS, because an OS can installed on the HDD and it is only a
>>> matter of some key-clicks to make the transition from one of the
>>> installed OSes to an other.
>> It depends on the machine. Some machines it is very easy to swap drives
>> in and out. And I do it all of the time. And I never had a single
>> problem yet. Great for verifying that your backups *really* can restore
>> without touching the original drive. Or playing around with another OS,
>> or hacking away with your current OS and not worrying about corrupting
>> anything. Beta testing, etc. It is really great, you should try it on
>> machines that this is made easy.
>
> Srewing up a machine is easy. To repair it, not.
>
> A lot of computer have parts, which are made to break when the computer is taken
> apart. Laymen do not know about the construction of these traps, and it is not
> wise to take such risks.

Well spoken wisdom, Jedi!

I've found that manufacturers' laptop service manuals explain all the
traps. I've had no problem taking apart a laptop if I have a good
service manual. Usually that means Dells and Lenovos (IBMs) are easy to
repair. HPaq laptops would be easy to repair if the designs weren't so
damned complicated, as I can generally find service manuals for them.
HPaq laptops do not have built in traps, just inordinately complicated
disassembly-assembly, and really really really flimsy plastic parts.

So any layman who wants to repair his/her own laptop should consider
doing so if he/she has the right service manual, a small flat-headed
screw driver and a small Philips head screwdriver. Otherwise, no.

.... Ben Myers