Installing old Windows XP on a Dell Inspiron Mini?
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From: Happy Oyster on 19 Sep 2009 20:33 On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 17:22:42 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50(a)aol.kom> wrote: >In news:b8jab554p21d8ou81sb63mmahr1npc2v93(a)4ax.com, >Happy Oyster typed on Sat, 19 Sep 2009 23:49:38 +0200: >> On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:27:44 -0400, Ben Myers <ben_myers(a)charter.net> >> wrote: >> >>> Not sure why one would need to fight a Windows install problem if it >>> had to do with existing partitions. >> >> One of the problems is that XP rapes the first partition. > >It only changes the first active partition. That could be one of four >partitions and it doesn't have to be the first one (with Vista and >Windows 7, it is zillions of partitions). And any Linux partition using >ext2/3, Windows won't touch it. Aribert doesn't even know this. >Otherwise he wouldn't be experiencing any of this. I don't give a damn about which type of partitions IN SPECIAL XP can handle. I chose a very strange one because I did not want to have to try again. Also, I do not discuss with XP. I roast it. >> I had to >> use a Linux DVD to boot and to change the first partition to be of >> some off Unix type. THIS XP did not touch and in the first run of the >> installation copied its stuff to the second partition where it has to >> be. Making the first partition invisible does not work as then XP >> thinks it is in the first and messes up its boot record THE WRONG WAY. >> >> First step: >> >> To handle the HDD (has serial ATA) partition the HDD and format the >> partitions with Linux. THAT WORKS. >> >> >> Second step: >> >> Change the type of those partitions XP has to keep its fingers off to >> some wierd Unix type. >> >> >> Third step: >> >> As XP is damned stupid, IF you also want a Linux on the machine, >> install that as the first OS. THEN install Win XP. This way you can >> start (with the help of a boot CD/DVD (like Super-GRUB) into a >> working system to check the other partitions, etc. >> >> >> Fourth step: >> >> XP will mess up the MBR, so with the Linux DVD to boot, use GRUB and >> get the MBR stuff back to order. >> >> BUT to get that right, the partition types of "wierd Unix" must be >> set back to the right values BEFORE you can work on GRUB. >> >> If you messed up something, then a complete Linux installation will >> be the last step. >> >> >> Problems of the XP installer are that it messes up with partitions, >> reboot, etc. >> >> To get around this, use a Super-GRUB CD and for doing the second part >> of the XP install (which is from HDD): use the CD to boot from the >> Win XP partition. >> >> This works with serial ATA. >> >> >> There are TWO CDs which accompany the netbooks. One is the "recovery >> CD" with the pure OS (in a miserable state), the other is for the >> additions, drivers, etc. That one must be installed after XP is >> installed. >> >> I called a LG tech suppport because I feared that the OS CD already >> contains some special stuff for the machine. But I was told that I >> could use a totally neutral XP installation CD because all the >> specific stuff is on the second CD. >> >> Without the second CD, I'm afraid, one doesn't get very far: It >> contains the drivers for the chipsets and without these the machine >> is cut off even from the basic hardware... > >And if you boot up Ubuntu Live and not even touching the hard drive at >all, Ubuntu modifies your Windows partition (happened to me three times >and to somebody else). And when you install Linux after Windows it >screws up your Windows installation. > >But what Aribert won't tell you is that UNIX/Linux isn't very useful at >all. Nor is the security very good at all. Rootkits came out first from >the Unix/Linux world and not from the Windows world (by about 15 years). >Some distros doesn't even have a firewall. And Linux doesn't have a >100th of the applications that Windows has. No, Aribert won't tell you >any of this stuff. Why? Because he is afraid too. <grin> -- The big "gmt"-scam http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_gmt1.htm
From: BillW50 on 19 Sep 2009 21:16 In news:lutab5t3t2e4vl7b9aahfpo5hqe4ktc462(a)4ax.com, Happy Oyster typed on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 02:33:27 +0200: > I don't give a damn about which type of partitions IN SPECIAL XP can > handle. I chose a very strange one because I did not want to have to > try again. > > Also, I do not discuss with XP. I roast it. Yes we know Aribert! And I *only* had known you for a little over a decade. <vbg> -- Bill Windows 2000 SP4 (5.00.2195) Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
From: Ben Myers on 19 Sep 2009 21:21 Happy Oyster wrote: > On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:27:44 -0400, Ben Myers <ben_myers(a)charter.net> wrote: > >> Not sure why one would need to fight a Windows install problem if it had >> to do with existing partitions. > > One of the problems is that XP rapes the first partition. I had to use a Linux > DVD to boot and to change the first partition to be of some off Unix type. THIS > XP did not touch and in the first run of the installation copied its stuff to > the second partition where it has to be. Making the first partition invisible > does not work as then XP thinks it is in the first and messes up its boot record > THE WRONG WAY. > > First step: > > To handle the HDD (has serial ATA) partition the HDD and format the partitions > with Linux. THAT WORKS. > > > Second step: > > Change the type of those partitions XP has to keep its fingers off to some wierd > Unix type. > > > Third step: > > As XP is damned stupid, IF you also want a Linux on the machine, install that as > the first OS. THEN install Win XP. This way you can start (with the help of a > boot CD/DVD (like Super-GRUB) into a working system to check the other > partitions, etc. > > > Fourth step: > > XP will mess up the MBR, so with the Linux DVD to boot, use GRUB and get the MBR > stuff back to order. > > BUT to get that right, the partition types of "wierd Unix" must be set back to > the right values BEFORE you can work on GRUB. > > If you messed up something, then a complete Linux installation will be the last > step. > > > Problems of the XP installer are that it messes up with partitions, reboot, etc. > > To get around this, use a Super-GRUB CD and for doing the second part of the XP > install (which is from HDD): use the CD to boot from the Win XP partition. > > This works with serial ATA. > > > There are TWO CDs which accompany the netbooks. One is the "recovery CD" with > the pure OS (in a miserable state), the other is for the additions, drivers, > etc. That one must be installed after XP is installed. > > I called a LG tech suppport because I feared that the OS CD already contains > some special stuff for the machine. But I was told that I could use a totally > neutral XP installation CD because all the specific stuff is on the second CD. > > Without the second CD, I'm afraid, one doesn't get very far: It contains the > drivers for the chipsets and without these the machine is cut off even from the > basic hardware... > > Aribert Deckers There is a really simple solution to a Windows-Linux dual boot problem. Two hard drives... Ben Myers
From: Ben Myers on 19 Sep 2009 21:24 BillW50 wrote: > In news:h93me1$an5$1(a)news.eternal-september.org, > Barry Watzman typed on Sat, 19 Sep 2009 18:36:47 -0400: >> ... but it requires a >> floppy disk drive, and absent BIOS emulation support (which most >> modern motherboards and laptops do have, but which older ones don't) >> the floppy disk has to be "real" and not USB (again, most modern >> systems, however, do support USB emulation, and, also in many cases, >> SATA emulation)... > > Just to be clear... virtually all modern day BIOS *will* totally accept > USB floppy drives as *real* floppy drives. Same is true of USB hard > drives and optical drives as well. That doesn't mean the OS will though. > As that is totally different. > Well, if the motherboard BIOS masks from the OS the fact that a drive is USB, the OS won't know, won't care, and will go blithely ahead and use it like any other drive. Of course, there is no standard for a motherboard BIOS, and Micro$oft may have something written into its OEM contracts to actually prohibit a BIOS smarter than it is... Ben Myers
From: Ben Myers on 19 Sep 2009 21:25
Happy Oyster wrote: > On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 17:22:42 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50(a)aol.kom> wrote: > >> In news:b8jab554p21d8ou81sb63mmahr1npc2v93(a)4ax.com, >> Happy Oyster typed on Sat, 19 Sep 2009 23:49:38 +0200: >>> On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:27:44 -0400, Ben Myers <ben_myers(a)charter.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Not sure why one would need to fight a Windows install problem if it >>>> had to do with existing partitions. >>> One of the problems is that XP rapes the first partition. >> It only changes the first active partition. That could be one of four >> partitions and it doesn't have to be the first one (with Vista and >> Windows 7, it is zillions of partitions). And any Linux partition using >> ext2/3, Windows won't touch it. Aribert doesn't even know this. >> Otherwise he wouldn't be experiencing any of this. > > I don't give a damn about which type of partitions IN SPECIAL XP can handle. I > chose a very strange one because I did not want to have to try again. > > Also, I do not discuss with XP. I roast it. > > >>> I had to >>> use a Linux DVD to boot and to change the first partition to be of >>> some off Unix type. THIS XP did not touch and in the first run of the >>> installation copied its stuff to the second partition where it has to >>> be. Making the first partition invisible does not work as then XP >>> thinks it is in the first and messes up its boot record THE WRONG WAY. >>> >>> First step: >>> >>> To handle the HDD (has serial ATA) partition the HDD and format the >>> partitions with Linux. THAT WORKS. >>> >>> >>> Second step: >>> >>> Change the type of those partitions XP has to keep its fingers off to >>> some wierd Unix type. >>> >>> >>> Third step: >>> >>> As XP is damned stupid, IF you also want a Linux on the machine, >>> install that as the first OS. THEN install Win XP. This way you can >>> start (with the help of a boot CD/DVD (like Super-GRUB) into a >>> working system to check the other partitions, etc. >>> >>> >>> Fourth step: >>> >>> XP will mess up the MBR, so with the Linux DVD to boot, use GRUB and >>> get the MBR stuff back to order. >>> >>> BUT to get that right, the partition types of "wierd Unix" must be >>> set back to the right values BEFORE you can work on GRUB. >>> >>> If you messed up something, then a complete Linux installation will >>> be the last step. >>> >>> >>> Problems of the XP installer are that it messes up with partitions, >>> reboot, etc. >>> >>> To get around this, use a Super-GRUB CD and for doing the second part >>> of the XP install (which is from HDD): use the CD to boot from the >>> Win XP partition. >>> >>> This works with serial ATA. >>> >>> >>> There are TWO CDs which accompany the netbooks. One is the "recovery >>> CD" with the pure OS (in a miserable state), the other is for the >>> additions, drivers, etc. That one must be installed after XP is >>> installed. >>> >>> I called a LG tech suppport because I feared that the OS CD already >>> contains some special stuff for the machine. But I was told that I >>> could use a totally neutral XP installation CD because all the >>> specific stuff is on the second CD. >>> >>> Without the second CD, I'm afraid, one doesn't get very far: It >>> contains the drivers for the chipsets and without these the machine >>> is cut off even from the basic hardware... >> And if you boot up Ubuntu Live and not even touching the hard drive at >> all, Ubuntu modifies your Windows partition (happened to me three times >> and to somebody else). And when you install Linux after Windows it >> screws up your Windows installation. >> >> But what Aribert won't tell you is that UNIX/Linux isn't very useful at >> all. Nor is the security very good at all. Rootkits came out first from >> the Unix/Linux world and not from the Windows world (by about 15 years). >> Some distros doesn't even have a firewall. And Linux doesn't have a >> 100th of the applications that Windows has. No, Aribert won't tell you >> any of this stuff. Why? Because he is afraid too. <grin> If XP is that bad for you, why do you even use it at all? ... Ben Myers |