From: unsettled on 11 Nov 2006 09:24 Ben Newsam wrote: > On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:44:29 -0600, unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> > wrote: > > >>It takes time to raise a country just as it does to raise a >>child. In this case we're raising a country with far too >>many guns and explosives and a very bad recent history > > > This is the USA you're talking about, right? I am sure that there are > more guns around in the US than anywhere else. You're wrong on all counts. Idiot.
From: unsettled on 11 Nov 2006 09:25 Ben Newsam wrote: > On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:41:23 -0500, krw <krw(a)att.bizzzz> wrote: > > >>The fact is that some jobs >>aren't worth "minimum wage". > > > Are you saying that you consider some jobs to be so menial that you > would actually pay someone less than enough to live on to do them? > > The trouble with naked capitalism is that it doesn't just produce > winners and wealth, it actually requires losers and poverty to > operate. Because otherwise there would be no incentive to do anything, > would there? The "pure" capitalist system actually requires that some > people starve to death just to make sure that the oiks get back to > their slave labour. Been reading too much Marx of late?
From: lucasea on 11 Nov 2006 09:24 <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:ej4f3c$8ss_004(a)s977.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <t915h.3582$IR4.2252(a)newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>, > <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>news:ej22jn$8qk_012(a)s995.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>> >>> Since my experiences were with systems that didn't work, >> >>Yes, that would be with the current US system. Why do you assume that a >>nationalized health care would be the same, and have the same problems? >>We >>have heard testimony from at least 3 people in this discussion alone, to >>the >>contrary. > > I'm a software developer. Code that has a bug on my development > machine will never get fixed if I distribute the same code on > all my customers' machines. All I've done is make the mess so > big, it can't be solved. Why do you assume that nationalized health care would simply be analogous to "distribut[ing] the same code on all customers' machines"? It's an opportunity to fix what's broken, and to refuse to take it because of some misguided fear is just simply idiotic. Your lack of understanding of how things get done is sometimes staggering. Eric Lucas
From: unsettled on 11 Nov 2006 09:26 Ben Newsam wrote: > On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:26:36 -0600, unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> > wrote: > >>T Wake wrote: >> >>>Possibly. Why do these governments and organisations hate the US when you do >>>so much good? Why is the US, with its massive media capacity, unable to >>>counter this propoganda when all you have is the good of the people in your >>>mind? >> >>My mother, 1907-2000, said in a 1950's conversation >>that it was simple jealousy and she'd been seeing >>it all her life. > > > Hahahaha! Er.... no thanks, I have no wish to live under the US yoke, > thank you very much. Wha on earth have I got to be jealous about? A > country that fails to see the results of its actions on the planet, > the lack of a proper healthcare system, a country that seems (IMO) to > be filled with hate-ridden people who are only able to judge the worth > of a person by how much they earn... OK that's enough to be getting on > with. Don't even get me started on their lack of a proper democratic > system. > > >>Brits, in particular, hate the US because Brits, >>by comparison, feel impotent, while some remember >>what it was like back in the Empire days. > > > God, you're so stupid. You don't feel impotent when you should? Well there's your problem then!
From: lucasea on 11 Nov 2006 09:26
<jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:ej4f53$8ss_005(a)s977.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <Uc15h.3583$IR4.3435(a)newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>, > <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>news:ej22rc$8qk_013(a)s995.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>> In article <eivs0e$vor$4(a)leto.cc.emory.edu>, >>> lparker(a)emory.edu (Lloyd Parker) wrote: >>> >>>>What good are the other rights if you're dead? >>> >>> Reread the sentence. They are only talking about insurance >>> being a right, not getting medical care. There is a difference. >> >> >>Well, the difference would be kinda moot to the millions of Americans who >>do >>not have insurance and cannot afford medical care, now wouldn't it? > > Now think about why they can't afford it. Becuase of the inefficient system we currently have. Why not replace it with something that is proven to be efficient. Your argument that we can't switch to a nationalized health care system because we have problems with the current system is exactly 180 degrees out of phase with reality. We need to switch to a nationalized health care system precisely becuase we have problems with the current system. Eric Lucas |