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From: Eeyore on 11 Nov 2006 13:26 jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> > > >> >> Raising the minimum wage is stupid and insane. > >> > > >> >Why ? > >> > >> It causes all other prices to eventually go up, especially housing. > >> It eliminates wage competition. People's real productivity is > >> no longer measured nor rewarded with wage. > >> > >> > >> >I saw it can be a slow as $5 an hour. > >> > > >> >Can anyone actually live on that ? > >> > >> $10k/year? Yes. > > > >You wouldn't get far on ?5263 over here for sure. > > I didn't say it was easy and one also has to give up a lot > of middle class "attitudes" ;-). Around here you'd pay ~ ?3000 p.a. minimum just for a very basic rented room ! Now try living on ?43 p.w. ! Graham
From: unsettled on 11 Nov 2006 13:25 Ken Smith wrote: > In article <sq15h.3588$IR4.1362(a)newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>, > <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > [....] > >>I would argue that anybody who is still making minimum wage after any time >>at all in a job, isn't productive and doesn't deserve to be rewarded. > > > There are some who are working at the limit of their ability. These > people still deserve enough of a wage to live on. I have, indirectly, > employed such a person in the past. He showed up for work on time and > remained for the required time, but instructions to him needed to be made > without subordinate clauses because he could not parse them. He is never > going to get promoted into management no matter how hard he works. Eeyore works for you?
From: Eeyore on 11 Nov 2006 13:29 jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >krw wrote: > >> rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com says... > >> > jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> > > >> > > Raising the minimum wage is stupid and insane. > >> > > >> > Why ? > >> > >> Why should the federal government tell anyone what their worth is? > >> > > >> > I saw it can be a slow as $5 an hour. > >> > >> The federal minimum wage is $5.15/hr. Some states are higher > >> (Vermont is $7.25 and going up). I'm not sure anyone really works > >> for the minimum (MacD's is advertising $9.00/hr.). > > > >So why the fuss over increasing what would seem to be a notional minimum ? > > > > You should notice that Keith is swearing. That is not is usual > style. I guess he's got the same problems I have. AS minimum > wage goes skyhigh, so do property taxes, real estate, food, other > taxes, and other things needed for survival. I don't recall anyone suggesting that the minimum wage was going 'sky high'. Long before a minimum wage of ~ $10 equivalent was introduced here, property prices were increasing crazily anyway. I never noticed any influence on food ot taxes. Graham
From: T Wake on 11 Nov 2006 13:45 "JoeBloe" <joebloe(a)thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message news:4krbl29h7imp8vc91vrkss29r591e1lbtn(a)4ax.com... > On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 06:39:29 GMT, <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> Gave us: > >> >>"JoeBloe" <joebloe(a)thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message >>news:g1eal2dosisofr40ccnm98kcgi8pbtiar0(a)4ax.com... >>> >>> Even Western Digital has its products made and assembled elsewhere, >>> but it is still an American company. >> >>...and what fraction of their workforce would be American? >> >>Eric Lucas >> > > > The up front investiture, hardware product, the profits, the name, > the quality assurance, the engineering... All the parts that matter. How is that a fraction of the workforce? Do you mean to imply that the workers don't matter?
From: T Wake on 11 Nov 2006 13:48
<jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:ej4hah$8ss_014(a)s977.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <45537045.AC5FCFC6(a)hotmail.com>, > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: >> >>> Something approaching 20% of the people in our country can't afford any > sort >>> of health care. To say that "ain't broke" is one of the most morally > bereft >>> statements I've heard in a very, very long time. Congratulations, >>> you've >>> demonstrated the lack of a conscience along with a lack of a brain. >> >>BAH may not be aware that it was a social conscience that drove Britain to > look >>at the possibility of a National Health Service. > > Britain is a single country and has a "small" acreage. The US > is 50 "countries" span a quarter hemisphere. So what? >> >>A society that condemns its less well-off members to poor / inadequate >>health >>provision is no great example to anyone. >> >>Heck, there's an American chap I chat with on MSN who simply couldn't >>afford > to >>buy the best medicine for his wife's condition. > > You should have examined the situation a tad more closely. Blimey, another irony meter bites the big one. > Was > he able to get the good medicine or was he forced to take the > generic? Did he expect to pay $12 for the best? I've run > into this attitude before and people simply don't want to > buy drugs without a massive discount. I don't understnad this > mindset yet. See, an NHS would solve that mindset. |