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From: T Wake on 11 Nov 2006 16:04 <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:ej4k2o$8ss_028(a)s977.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <ej28ps$j3j$3(a)leto.cc.emory.edu>, > lparker(a)emory.edu (Lloyd Parker) wrote: >>In article <ej211j$8qk_003(a)s995.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, >> jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>In article <455485EB.84F083F4(a)hotmail.com>, >>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> Raising the minimum wage is stupid and insane. >>>> >>>>Why ? >>> >>>It causes all other prices to eventually go up, especially housing. >>>It eliminates wage competition. People's real productivity is >>>no longer measured nor rewarded with wage. >> >>By that argument, you support slavery. > > I support the exact opposite. The scenario above promotes it. > Really? How does a minimum wage promote slavery?
From: T Wake on 11 Nov 2006 16:05 <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:ej4k9c$8ss_030(a)s977.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <sq15h.3588$IR4.1362(a)newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>, > <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >>> jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>> >>>> It causes all other prices to eventually go up, especially housing. >>>> It eliminates wage competition. >> >>Only at the bottom end. Everyone else still competes. >> >> >>>> People's real productivity is >>>> no longer measured nor rewarded with wage. >> >>I would argue that anybody who is still making minimum wage after any time >>at all in a job, isn't productive and doesn't deserve to be rewarded. >> >> >>>> >I saw it can be a slow as $5 an hour. >>>> > >>>> >Can anyone actually live on that ? >>>> >>>> $10k/year? Yes. >> >>That's not living. > > You don't that. It is only your opinion that's not living. > People do live on that kind of cash flow. Yeah but normally do-gooder ex-popstars have charity events to support them.
From: T Wake on 11 Nov 2006 16:06 <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:ej4k4i$8ss_029(a)s977.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <455493E7.A39EFCD9(a)hotmail.com>, > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>> > >>> >> Raising the minimum wage is stupid and insane. >>> > >>> >Why ? >>> >>> It causes all other prices to eventually go up, especially housing. >>> It eliminates wage competition. People's real productivity is >>> no longer measured nor rewarded with wage. >>> >>> >>> >I saw it can be a slow as $5 an hour. >>> > >>> >Can anyone actually live on that ? >>> >>> $10k/year? Yes. >> >>You wouldn't get far on ?5263 over here for sure. > > I didn't say it was easy and one also has to give up a lot > of middle class "attitudes" ;-). Like housing, food, clothing ...
From: T Wake on 11 Nov 2006 16:12 <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:ej4kfj$8ss_031(a)s977.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <dvidnWPSgamHfcnYnZ2dnUVZ8sqdnZ2d(a)pipex.net>, > "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >> >><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>news:ej211j$8qk_003(a)s995.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>> In article <455485EB.84F083F4(a)hotmail.com>, >>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > <snip> > > >>>>I saw it can be a slow as $5 an hour. >>>> >>>>Can anyone actually live on that ? >>> >>> $10k/year? Yes. >> >>Blimey. Where in the US can you live (housing, food, fuel, clothing, >>transport) on $10k per year? I would love to know. I assume this does not >>include health care though.... > > It includes the government insurance. My folks, who are 2 people, > live on that little. Their income is social security and they > never maxed out on the payments. Interesting. Do they own their own property? Do they own their own car and machinery? Do they own land? Do they have any savings after a lifetimes work? Without resorting to soley personal anecdote, can you break down how someone can live on $10k a year? Think about: Rent, food, transport to and from work, work clothes, medical insurance and treatments, dental insurance and treatments, heating bills, cooking bills and so on. While it is unfortunate, it is often the case that retired people have to live on very little - however the assumption is that they have a _lifetime_ of earning to offset the costs of the final years (I'd like to see someone on $10k buy a house or even a car). The problem comes when you say to an 18 year old school leaver - you have to make it in the big world on $10k pa. >>In the UK I would be amazed if _anyone_, even in council housing, could >>live >>on ?10k per year, let alone $10k. > > It's an interesting experiement. I'm trying to get to $10K. Likewise, you are not 18. You are not starting out from scratch. You probably have your own land to grow food.
From: T Wake on 11 Nov 2006 16:13
"Ben Newsam" <ben.newsam(a)ukonline.co.uk> wrote in message news:433cl2514om42jo75su25lm6ug1ljmdsm0(a)4ax.com... > On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 08:25:00 -0600, unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> > wrote: > >>Ben Newsam wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:41:23 -0500, krw <krw(a)att.bizzzz> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>The fact is that some jobs >>>>aren't worth "minimum wage". >>> >>> >>> Are you saying that you consider some jobs to be so menial that you >>> would actually pay someone less than enough to live on to do them? >>> >>> The trouble with naked capitalism is that it doesn't just produce >>> winners and wealth, it actually requires losers and poverty to >>> operate. Because otherwise there would be no incentive to do anything, >>> would there? The "pure" capitalist system actually requires that some >>> people starve to death just to make sure that the oiks get back to >>> their slave labour. >> >>Been reading too much Marx of late? > > ha! If you think I am anywhere near being a Marxist, you know very > little about anything. I think that is pretty much a given. |