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From: lucasea on 13 Nov 2006 13:10 <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:ej9r8v$8qk_003(a)s785.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <45574FB1.DE47F6CF(a)hotmail.com>, > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>> >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >BAH may not be aware that it was a social conscience that drove >>> >> >Britain > to >>> >> >look at the possibility of a National Health Service. >>> >> >>> >> Britain is a single country and has a "small" acreage. The US >>> >> is 50 "countries" span a quarter hemisphere. >>> > >>> >What's that got to do with it ? >>> >>> Administration costs. Availability. Approvals for specific >>> treatments. It's "easier" to get these done in a small >>> geographic space than a continent's acreage. >> >>I fail to see what geographic space has to do with it. > > I know. I don't know how to explain it better. You might want to consider that, when you "don't know how to explain it better", it's because it's not a valid concept that is in any way relevant to the discussion at hand. The Internet is a wonderful thing. Despite the fact that you have allowed fear of change to constrain what you do, almost everything that doesn't have to happen in a face-to-face manner, can happen electronically. And things that do have to happen in a face-to-face manner (i.e., medical treatment), *do* still happen in a face-to-face manner. > You don't have > any idea about living in a place where you cannot see another > building that isn't yours. That's a bit of an arrogant assumption on your part. > You don't know how people have > to plan trips to grocery stores, etc. as if they were long > journeys to a vacation spot. That's more than a little bit of disingenuous hyperbole. It doesn't take hours for *anybody* in the US to drive to a grocery store. Yes, you have to plan trips to the grocery store. So what? Smart people anywhere do that, so they don't waste resources. How does that translate to the impossibility of a NHS? > Let us assume that your friend's salary was $20K/year. This drug > dosage costs $25K? I don't believe that. What I do think is > that your friend was reluctant to give something up in lieu of > a drug that had efficacy. That was his decision to make. Wonderful, so now we're a society that says "you have to give up eating and shelter to afford that drug that will make you better", all because you have this dread fear of change? Eric Lucas
From: John Fields on 13 Nov 2006 13:18 On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 17:49:51 -0600, unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >We have a local physician who makes scheduled house >calls every Thursday. His office is used by a >visiting podiatrist that day. --- Sounds like something may be afoot over there. -- JF
From: lucasea on 13 Nov 2006 13:34 "John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote in message news:sfchl295u5h5e836q7lahtumr0msdcf359(a)4ax.com... > On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 21:56:21 -0000, "T Wake" > <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: > >> >>"John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote in message >>news:e7jbl2t7l93i3tafhihevp03o75rrqbebf(a)4ax.com... >>> On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:46:25 GMT, <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>"T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote in message >>>>news:Bu2dncWeBfbIbMnYnZ2dnUVZ8tidnZ2d(a)pipex.net... >>>>> >>>>> It seems a lot of posters here cant. Strange really. I love the forced >>>>> self determination argument. Its grrrrreat. >>>> >>>> >>>>So they truly are empowered to do whatever the hell we tell them to.... >>> >>> --- >>> Yup, until they're stable enough to take care of their own affairs, >>> and then we'll be outta there. >> >>interestingly, you still seem to miss the problem with "empowered to do >>whatever the hell we tell them to" and seem to be under the impression >>that >>occupation and enforced cultural change is self determination. > > --- > I wrote earlier that you had a suberb grasp of the obvious, but I > see now I was wrong. Sorry 'bout that... > > Interestingly, you seem unable to take my meaning from context, so I > guess from now on if I choose to respond to you I'll have to write > at about an eleven or twelve year old's level. Probably I'll just > ignore you. The last resort of the child who has no answer to what someone else says. Throw a couple vague insults, then plug the ears and yell "lalalalalaI'm not listeninglalalalalala" at the top of their lungs. Eric Lucas
From: T Wake on 13 Nov 2006 13:40 <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:ej9p16$8qk_001(a)s785.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <5vdel2pke0d8o2pufvpkipjog039ml5td4(a)4ax.com>, > Ben Newsam <ben.newsam(a)ukonline.co.uk> wrote: >>On Sun, 12 Nov 06 12:47:09 GMT, jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >>>Didn't you ever wonder where your sewer people put all of that >>>water that get flushed and put down the drains of your sinks, >>>baths, and showers? >> >>No, because I know exactly what happens to it. It goes to the sewage >>treatment works at Tinsley. > > All water gets moved to one spot. How does the water table get > replenished in your area? Normally rain and snow. Like most other places.
From: T Wake on 13 Nov 2006 13:46
<jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:ej9r8v$8qk_003(a)s785.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <45574FB1.DE47F6CF(a)hotmail.com>, > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>> >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >BAH may not be aware that it was a social conscience that drove >>> >> >Britain > to >>> >> >look at the possibility of a National Health Service. >>> >> >>> >> Britain is a single country and has a "small" acreage. The US >>> >> is 50 "countries" span a quarter hemisphere. >>> > >>> >What's that got to do with it ? >>> >>> Administration costs. Availability. Approvals for specific >>> treatments. It's "easier" to get these done in a small >>> geographic space than a continent's acreage. >> >>I fail to see what geographic space has to do with it. > > I know. I don't know how to explain it better. You don't have > any idea about living in a place where you cannot see another > building that isn't yours. I do. > You don't know how people have > to plan trips to grocery stores, etc. as if they were long > journeys to a vacation spot. The wonders of supply and demand. >> >>Most ppl find the idea of 'economy of scale' quite convincing ! >> >> >>> >Which part of " couldn't afford to buy the best medicine [ re: the drug >>> >my >>> friend couldn't buy] " didn't you understand ? >>> >>> All of it. >> >>I asked him. His medical insurance only covers 25% of the cost of drugs. >>So > the >>'best drug' was beyond his financial means ( i.e his wages weren't enough >>to > pay >>for it ) so he had to settle for something inferior that wasn't wholly > effective.. >> >>Is that clearer ? > > Let us assume that your friend's salary was $20K/year. This drug > dosage costs $25K? I don't believe that. What I do think is > that your friend was reluctant to give something up in lieu of > a drug that had efficacy. That was his decision to make. You are making more assumptions to support a biased opinion. What if the person would have had to give up his car and couldn't work as a result? Is that an acceptable sacrifice? What if they had to give up food for the medicine? Would that make sense? |