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From: Ben Newsam on 13 Nov 2006 17:17 On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:18:42 -0500, krw <krw(a)att.bizzzz> wrote: > Welfare ("benefits") is for >socialists. I am sure that, if I find you one day having fallen out of a (almost typed "your" there) tree or had some other kind of accident that would require the intervention of someone else to prevent you bleeding or freezing to death (or whatever), you will entirely understand if I do absolutely nothing to help you or in any way conribute to your welfare, because you do not believe in such things and would regard me as a nasty socialist. OK, I can live with that.
From: Ben Newsam on 13 Nov 2006 17:08 On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:00:44 -0500, krw <krw(a)att.bizzzz> wrote: >In article <n1ifl29hhnqark8djruc1ga4u3p3b0p37n(a)4ax.com>, >ben.newsam(a)ukonline.co.uk says... >> But seriously, it isn't worth worrying about much, the main effect >> (here anyway) is that there is an ever-widening range of jobs that are >> paid the same (minimum) wage or ever so slightly above it, and that is >> my main objection to it. If the statutory minimum is set too low, it >> doesn't have the intended effect of protecting people from being paid >> less than a living wage, and if it is set too high then a proper job >> market cannot exist at the lower end. A conundrum. > >hy must every job pay above the "living wage"? Who decides what a >"living wage" is? You? Not me. Hardly. Please note that I am not particularly in favour of a statutory minimum wage. The conundrum remains: if it is seen as a Good Thing that wages can be forced lower than the minimum that whoever has decided it is possible to live on, then it is not possible at the same time to deny that the system (let's say capitalist although people don't seem to like that word) actually requires the existence of people enduring the direst poverty in order for that system to work properly.
From: Ben Newsam on 13 Nov 2006 17:54 On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:28:18 GMT, Jonathan Kirwan <jkirwan(a)easystreet.com> wrote: <*Very* interesting article snipped> >Just some thoughts from a perspective out of experiences different >from those living now in single payer medical systems and different >from most people working for an employer here in the US. Thanks for that.
From: Ben Newsam on 13 Nov 2006 17:58 On Mon, 13 Nov 06 12:51:23 GMT, jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >In article <c2eel2t6422gv5i4coio17g4a84rcah1tb(a)4ax.com>, > Ben Newsam <ben.newsam(a)ukonline.co.uk> wrote: >>You don't have to cross the Atlantic to encounter confusion over the >>words "sink" and "well", (both nouns, and also verbs associated with >>the appearance or disappearance of water into or out of the ground). >>What we in England call a "sink", the arrangement in the kitchen for >>holding water that has taps (Damn! Faucets!) and a plughole, is known >>as a "well" in Scotland, or at least in certain parts of it. > >Kewl. I didn't know that. They must get confused when some >Americans visit becaues a lot have a verbal tic that starts >each sentence with a Well, ..... LOL!
From: unsettled on 13 Nov 2006 18:32
T Wake wrote: > <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message > news:ej9jod$8ss_004(a)s785.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > >>In article <4557D74E.4B25220F(a)hotmail.com>, >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>>krw wrote: >>> >>> >>>>In article <02hbl2h0gb6c0k55ciogmlers06ae3luqe(a)4ax.com>, >>>>ben.newsam(a)ukonline.co.uk says... >>>> >>>>>On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:41:23 -0500, krw <krw(a)att.bizzzz> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>The fact is that some jobs >>>>>>aren't worth "minimum wage". >>>>> >>>>>Are you saying that you consider some jobs to be so menial that you >>>>>would actually pay someone less than enough to live on to do them? >>>> >>>>You read better than I thought. Believe it or not, there are >>>>people who don't need a job to "live", though they may need a job >>>>to learn work skills or pay for a date on Saturday night. >>> >>>Eh ? >> >>He, as I am, think it's important that kids learn how to work >>and earn money. It's good training for the time when they >>are supposed to do this. Instead you socialist types are >>trying to keep all adults in childhood with a nonentity, called >>govnerment, makes all the decisions of living and life style >>for you. This is anathema to a lot of people in the USA; however, >>this allergy appears to be getting cured rapidly. > > > Lookout, lookout, there is a strawman about. Just how *did* you get so thin, Wake? |