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From: T Wake on 13 Nov 2006 14:06 <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:ej9mpl$8qk_006(a)s785.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <45574E64.63A53423(a)hotmail.com>, > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>> > >>> >> What is really happening >>> >> is that people, who do not have access to a GP, go to the >>> >> most expensive health care facility for treatment. >>> > >>> >Why would they do that ? >>> >>> To get drugs to fix their problem. >> >>Why does that involve going to an expensive doctor ? > > Only the cheapest services are covered by a single payer > system. By defintion, going outside of the system is > going to an expensive doctor. This is the difference between a single payer insurance policy (which is administered by a profit making company) and a nationalised health service. See, you really are in favour of an NHS, you just refuse to admit it. >> >> >>> Doctors don't take >>> new patients who are already sick even if one has >>> medical insurance. For a long time, the doctors around >>> wouldn't take new patients who were on Medicare. I don't if >>> that has changed. >> >>You see an 'NHS' would fix that. >> > > Hon, Medicare is the US' NHS; it just doesn't apply to all citizens... > yet. Hon, it isn't an NHS.
From: T Wake on 13 Nov 2006 14:07 <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:ej9msg$8qk_007(a)s785.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <laL5h.3504$Sw1.1347(a)newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>, > <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>news:ej73hc$8qk_003(a)s851.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>> In article <4556023D.65907648(a)hotmail.com>, >>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> What is really happening >>>>> is that people, who do not have access to a GP, go to the >>>>> most expensive health care facility for treatment. >>>> >>>>Why would they do that ? >>> >>> To get drugs to fix their problem. Doctors don't take >>> new patients who are already sick even if one has >>> medical insurance. >> >>Where did you get that loony idea? >> > > Personal experience. I know that doesn't matter to you. I > need a web site that proves my experience never happened before > you'll give any credence to what I write. See, if you had an NHS then you would realise doctors do indeed take on new patients, even if they have existing conditions.
From: T Wake on 13 Nov 2006 14:07 <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:ej9mvv$8qk_008(a)s785.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <45574ED9.32805BEE(a)hotmail.com>, > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >>> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >>> ><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>> >>> >> You are parroting politicians again. What is really happening >>> >> is that people, who do not have access to a GP, go to the >>> >> most expensive health care facility for treatment. >>> >> Now instead of concentrating on how they can't afford the most >>> >> expensive service, why not concentrate on why they cannot get >>> >> access to the usual general practioner's services. That is >>> >> the problem. And it has become exasperated by everything being >>> >> based on whether you have insurance or not. >>> > >>> >You present a strong case for the introduction of a nationalise >>> >healthcare >>> >system, where all have equal access to healthcare resources based on > medical >>> >need. >>> >>> There will not be access. That's what I'm trying to get >>> you to understand. You can have oodles of insurance but, >>> if you can't get an appt., you might as well use their >>> forms for toilet paper. >> >>So, the insurance based model is broken is it not ? > > It is now since the HMOs have become the preferred payers. An NHS would cure that.
From: T Wake on 13 Nov 2006 14:09 "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:45586F70.5FF100EE(a)hotmail.com... > > > jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >Finding the right thing that's profitable isn't always that easy. >> >> It is easy. People around here charge $50 for 15 minutes' worth >> of housecleaning and they get it. > > They do ? > > I'm sure they wouldn't here. They do in some places - mainly where people are inordinately rich and strapped for time. I know people who pay for their laundry to be washed and ironed for them. The mind does, indeed, boggle.
From: T Wake on 13 Nov 2006 14:14
<jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:ej9r89$8qk_001(a)s785.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <4557569C.6745C824(a)hotmail.com>, > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >>> In article <455629EB.431D90E1(a)hotmail.com>, >>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >And much more [NHS whistleblower policy] >>> > >>> >http://www.pcaw.co.uk/policy_pub/nhs.html >>> > >>> >>> That approach will work for a while until somebody, and then more >>> people, figure out how to use it for their own selfish concerns. >>> This is normal; that's how people work. Then the whistleblowing >>> infrastructure will need a whistleblowing system to keep it >>> honest. >> >>If you think that way, I can only assume it's because >>corruption is endemic in the USA. It's pretty bad in > places. Fixing it seems like whack-a-mole function. > >> >>I find it disheartening that you think ppl are naturally thieves. > > This is where you can't understand how things work over here > because you've been in a socialist system. Nonsense. > I don't know how > to explain it to you. A lot of pilfering (I'll use this word) > is an individual trying to beat the system. It's normal behaviour > I think. > > Whenever you have a government program that gives money away, > everybody is going to take as much as they can. That isn't usually > considered theivery. When a people begin to believe it is their > "right" to take all the money, the system is corrupt. When laws > are passed to fix these problems require that government bureaucracies > control every step, we have communism. When a few or one person > starts to control disbursements, it is a dictatorship. When > the dictator starts to correct perceived offenses with killing > the people, it is a viscious dictatorship. Nonsensical conclusion based on nonsensical assumptions. Try to learn a bit more about the topic you are talking about - they you may realise what you are saying is comical to people living in those countries. First off, though, think about what the NHS is and isn't. |