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From: jmfbahciv on 16 Nov 2006 10:27 In article <455B2239.21E64255(a)hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >> >> >I know you meant long term planning, but earning minimum wage does not lend >> >itself to that kind of living. People have to eat. They have to pay bills. >> >They have to be able to save for a deposit. They have to live somewhere >> >while they are waiting to buy their house. Etc. >> >> You don't have to borrow. The Portuguese around here make it a >> family affair. Everybody in the extended family works, and then >> they buy a house for cash. No borrowing. Now the family has >> a house to live in and they begin to save for the next house. >> Eventually everybody has their own house. > >And if you don't have a large extended family ( most ppl don't ) what then ? There are many ways to accomplish things. It does require setting a prioity list. If you want to buy a house, you don't spend money on buying pu-pu platters every night. /BAH
From: jmfbahciv on 16 Nov 2006 10:28 In article <wTG6h.25550$TV3.5020(a)newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > ><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >news:ejf0uq$8ss_002(a)s792.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >> In article <GZadnR1moYq8q8fYnZ2dnUVZ8qmdnZ2d(a)pipex.net>, >> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >>> >>><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>news:ejckhl$8qk_003(a)s858.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>>> In article <yt-dne7WCNI5zMrYRVnysw(a)pipex.net>, >>>> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>>>news:ej7ffd$8qk_042(a)s851.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>>>>> In article <455615CC.2B8A045E(a)hotmail.com>, >>>>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>> >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>> >> >> Raising the minimum wage is stupid and insane. >>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>> >> >Why ? >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> It causes all other prices to eventually go up, especially >>>>>>>> >> housing. >>>>>>>> >> It eliminates wage competition. People's real productivity is >>>>>>>> >> no longer measured nor rewarded with wage. >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >I saw it can be a slow as $5 an hour. >>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>> >> >Can anyone actually live on that ? >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> $10k/year? Yes. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >You wouldn't get far on ?5263 over here for sure. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I didn't say it was easy and one also has to give up a lot >>>>>>>> of middle class "attitudes" ;-). >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Around here you'd pay ~ ?3000 p.a. minimum just for >>>>>>>a very basic rented room ! >>>>>> >>>>>> In the US you can't plan on renting when you stop working. Part >>>>>> of way we live is to spend a part of our wages on a place to live >>>>>> that will become yours after a few years. That way you can >>>>>> eliminate paying rent as part of your living expense. >>>>> >>>>>Your argument has more holes than swiss cheese. >>>>> >>>>>You cant plan on renting anywhere when you stop working. If you are >>>>>earning >>>>>$200 a week, how do you save for a place to live? Where do you live >>>>>while >>>>>you are saving? What do you eat? >>>> >>>> When I said plan, I meant long-term planning. That is why people >>>> buy their own house and start paying the money they earn while >>>> young to pay off the mortgage. When the mortgage is paid off, >>>> they don't pay rent. The plan to stay in the house when >>>> they quit working. >>> >>>When you are earning $200 per week, how much can you spare to pay off a >>>mortgage? What duration are US Mortgages? How much of a deposit is >>>normally >>>put down? >>> >>>I know you meant long term planning, but earning minimum wage does not >>>lend >>>itself to that kind of living. People have to eat. They have to pay bills. >>>They have to be able to save for a deposit. They have to live somewhere >>>while they are waiting to buy their house. Etc. >> >> You don't have to borrow. The Portuguese around here make it a >> family affair. Everybody in the extended family works, and then >> they buy a house for cash. No borrowing. Now the family has >> a house to live in and they begin to save for the next house. >> Eventually everybody has their own house. > >Once again, you extrapolate from an extremely unusual case, to everybody in >the country. And by the way, how recent was this Portuguese family affair >thing done? I'll posit that you're also in the habit of extrapolating from >45 years ago to the present, and I'll just say that the real estate market >(and the economy as a whole) is a *very* different thing than it was 45 >years ago. AFAIK, they're still doing this and will continue as long as emigration continues. /BAH
From: jmfbahciv on 16 Nov 2006 10:30 In article <455B229B.95E434CE(a)hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >T Wake wrote: >> >> >> You >> >> claim to have lived on $2 a month as an example of how people should be so >> >> happy to live on $200 per week. I say not only are you living in a mystical >> >> past of fifty years ago, but living on a wage of $200 per week in this day >> >> and age is far from easy. >> > >> >I wonder how she got health cover on $2 a month ! >> >> I didn't have it. > >Exacttly. So what happened if you got ill ? I went to bed and let nature work. /BAH
From: jmfbahciv on 16 Nov 2006 10:31 In article <455B22D4.F5201E8C(a)hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> >And you like to imply things that just aren't true. You weren't living on >> >> >"$2/day". >> >> >> >> Right. It was $2/month. >> > >> >And you can also clean a whole house in 15 mins ? >> >> When I was well, I could clean mine in 15 minutes. > >That couldn't have beena very thorough cleaning. Adequate for day-to-day but not >over an extended period. They didn't do deep-cleaning. They also didn't move furniture. /BAH
From: jmfbahciv on 16 Nov 2006 10:34
In article <9fbce$455b1e5e$49ecfcb$16796(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> In article <kgl6h.25069$TV3.20095(a)newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, >> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >>>"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>news:4559DA19.3B5B7EC8(a)hotmail.com... >>> >>>> >>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>And you like to imply things that just aren't true. You weren't living >>>>>>on >>>>>>"$2/day". >>>>> >>>>>Right. It was $2/month. >>>> >>>>And you can also clean a whole house in 15 mins ? >>> >>>The thing that she conveniently glosses over >> >> >> I did not gloss over it. I assumed that you were able to think >> well enough to fill in those blanks. ARe you really that thinking >> disabled that I have to specifically spec out all aspects? >> >> I said college. It was already established the decade that >> occurred. I should have known better because you have shown >> in this thread that you cannot read two sentences and figure >> out how they relate. > > >I sure hope he's not one of those you're trying >to learn something from. Of course I'm learning. IDing head jams is very useful. IDing irrevocable head jams is also useful. I've learned about different word meanings, tool names, and how some administrative stuff works in his country. I've figured out some the problems they have. /BAH |