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From: jmfbahciv on 16 Nov 2006 10:35 In article <MPG.1fc506b48748606c989b7a(a)news.individual.net>, krw <krw(a)att.bizzzz> wrote: >In article <9fbce$455b1e5e$49ecfcb$16796(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, >unsettled(a)nonsense.com says... >> jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> > In article <kgl6h.25069$TV3.20095(a)newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, >> > <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> > >> >>"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >> >>news:4559DA19.3B5B7EC8(a)hotmail.com... >> >> >> >>> >> >>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>>And you like to imply things that just aren't true. You weren't living >> >>>>>on >> >>>>>"$2/day". >> >>>> >> >>>>Right. It was $2/month. >> >>> >> >>>And you can also clean a whole house in 15 mins ? >> >> >> >>The thing that she conveniently glosses over >> > >> > >> > I did not gloss over it. I assumed that you were able to think >> > well enough to fill in those blanks. ARe you really that thinking >> > disabled that I have to specifically spec out all aspects? >> > >> > I said college. It was already established the decade that >> > occurred. I should have known better because you have shown >> > in this thread that you cannot read two sentences and figure >> > out how they relate. >> >> >> I sure hope he's not one of those you're trying >> to learn something from. >> >One thing she's trying to learn is the reasons behind people's >attitude. One way to learn is to poke the specimen. ;-) > ROTFLMAO. [emoticon pokes this specimen...JRST PAT..] /BAH
From: Eeyore on 16 Nov 2006 10:44 jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> Ben Newsam <ben.newsam(a)ukonline.co.uk> wrote: > >> >On Sun, 12 Nov 06 13:47:55 GMT, jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> > > >> >>So you do have to be vetted. You already have limited access. > >> >>When, or if, your GP infrastructure goes to pieces, you'll have > >> >>no access. > >> > > >> ><Boggle> That's plain daft. WHy should it fall to pieces? Or rather > >> >why would the GP infrastructure fall to pieces leaving the hospital > >> >and consultant system in place? They are all part of the same thing. > >> > >> GPs in the US are rarer than hen's teeth. > > > >They're not here ! > > Now, try to figure why that is so. It's because your administrative > system is still based on a local small business model. I suspect it's because medicine is an attractive career for some ppl. A 'business model' doesn't get the right ppl educated and tranied. > >> I don't know of any > >> who practice within 25 mile radius here. Everybody is a specialist > >> so nobody has a general knowledge of medical afflictions. > >> Diagnosis is no longer possible without a lab piece of paper. > > > >Your GPs are specialists too ? > > No. GPs are general which means they have to have knowledge > over a wide range. So why did you say " Everybody is a specialist " a few lines above ? > That isn't "profitable" to do because > it requires a long learning time. Think about it. It > also requires a lot of experience which cannot be had > by production line dispenseion of medical services. But there are specialists aren't there ? > A GP has to be able to know each patient and remember what > works and what doesn't work for each individual. Indeed, in primary health care that's the first requirement. As for remembering our GPs have computerised records now which helps them concentrate on diagnosis now instead of just remembering. > Medicine is no longer that way in a lot places in the US. > It may still happen in tiny towns in the midwest and south, > but not anywhere else that has been bitten by the HMO bug. Why don't you make an effort to study the NHS then ? You may find it interesting. Graham
From: jmfbahciv on 16 Nov 2006 10:40 In article <455B2366.1A153F8A(a)hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> > >> >> I'm waiting until India and China figure out how to run clean rooms. >> > >> >No problem in China for sure. >> >> I haven't been there in a long time, but they probably still have >> a lot of ramping up to do w.r.t. training. > >They're pretty good at manufacturing now. I know they would be good at manufacturing work. I don't know how well they've learned to make all that stuff. I did not get the impression that their culture was "engineering-oriented", if I may choose that description. Their culture would use manual labor over spending time improving methods with engineering. I always figured this was because labor was so plentiful and the culture did have to keep all hands busy. >> >India, well......... >> >> Do not underestimate these people. They've already figured out >> how acquire the equivalent of computer paper-pushing work. > >I know the Indians reasonably well having spent some time over there. They're a >curious bunch. Let me put it this way.... I'd rather 'play' with them than rely >on them. It's going to be interesting watching how they progress if they do allow progression to occur. /BAH
From: jmfbahciv on 16 Nov 2006 10:42 In article <MPG.1fc501b379a686d989b72(a)news.individual.net>, krw <krw(a)att.bizzzz> wrote: >In article <ejf1oi$8ss_009(a)s792.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com says... >> In article <MPG.1fc3ca869a3bbd6f989b41(a)news.individual.net>, >> krw <krw(a)att.bizzzz> wrote: >> >In article <ejcktl$8qk_007(a)s858.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, >> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com says... >> >> In article <a871b$45574416$49ecffa$23510(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, >> >> unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >> >> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> In article <9a071$4557314e$49ecffa$23098(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, >> >> >> unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>In article <4555F0FA.3C4FF876(a)hotmail.com>, >> >> >>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>>>unsettled wrote: >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>>>I am at a slight loss in the >> >> >>>>>>medicine coverage if I use Canadian pricing as >> >> >>>>>>the basis, but way ahead if I use USA prices. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>>Why are the same medicines more expensive in the USA ? >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>>We pay the development costs. >> >> >>> >> >> >>>And we generously sell the medicines for less overseas. >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> It has nothing to do with generosity. >> >> > >> >> >There's no significant profit involved. What would you call it? >> >> >> >> There is a profit over manufacturing costs. It just doesn't >> >> recoup the research costs to the point of feeding cash into >> >> current research. Another advantage is presence. A lot of >> >> the manufacturing appears to be getting moved to those countries >> >> with tax benefits, etc. >> >> >> >> I'm waiting until India and China figure out how to run clean rooms. >> > >> > "SAN JOSE, Calif. =3F IBM Corp. has entered into an agreement to >> > take a 24 percent stake for $150 million in one of India's >> > fledging wafer fab companies =3F India Semiconductor Manufacturing >> > Co. (ISMC), according to the Business Standard in India." >> > >> >http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=164901668 >> > >> Aren't these fabs as "fussy" as chemical plants? > >More so. They're rather expensive too. > I knew about the expensive part. I did not know how much they would go boom! hmmm...I'd fogotten that I needed to learn more about clean rooms. //BAH
From: Eeyore on 16 Nov 2006 10:48
jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: > >> > >> >Local doesn't have to mean small. When I lived in the centre of London I > >> >had a local GP and a local health centre. > >> > >> Yes it does to mean small. A local health center has a small > >> capacity. Even if you assume that all medical appointments will > >> take 5 minutes, the capacity of any center is severely limited. > >> Say it is in a population of 10,000 and all come down with a > >> flu in the same 24 hours. The center won't be able to handle > >> 100, let along 10,000. > > > >The same problem arises just as much in the big cities too. > > > >In fact, in a rural location you likely don't have the easy means to spread > >infections that fast anyway, no crowded transit systems and the like for > example. > > I'm in an urban area. Around here, flu shots and nasal spray is > dispensed in the grocery stores. You can get one at my local supermarket too if you're not eligible for a free NHS one ( older and infirm ppl get them free ). > There were no signs that said > the flu clinics were being held and the news said that the > distribution would be fixed soon, so I went to the grocery store > Sunday. My local supermarket gave out leaflets in advance. > I took a chance. Now I've caught what they've put in > this year's flu cocktail. That sometimes happens. You get a mild dose. It means it's working for sure. > Even in rural areas, if your shot and drug distribution centers > are also located in food distribution centers, it is guaranteed > that disease will spread because everybody who buys food will > be exposed to all airborn bugs. They'll be exposed *wherever* they go ! Graham |