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From: John Fields on 16 Nov 2006 17:11 On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 19:32:19 -0000, "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: > >"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:455BD2C0.7A9B7952(a)hotmail.com... >> >> >> lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: >> >>> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote in message >>> >>> > As a side note,what sort of surface area would a 4 bedroom house in the >>> > US >>> > have? --- Dunno, but my house is 3 bedrooms, 2-1/2 baths and we cover about 4000 square feet on about a half-acre lot. Google Earth 30?23'35.39"N, 97?46'09.30W. --- >>> NB she said 4 rooms, not 4 bedrooms. That would typically mean bedroom, >>> kitchen, living room and bathroom. That's probably on the order of 1000 >>> sq >>> ft. >> >> LOL. My house has that area and it has 7 rooms. --- About 143 square feet per room then? I'm intrigued. Is this a house that you've bought for yourself or something that's been handed down to you by your parents? Do you still live in Scotland or have you moved to England? What do you do for a living? --- >We have history and the Americans have space... --- Yes. The final frontier. You'll inherit the earth and we'll populate the stars. -- JF
From: lucasea on 16 Nov 2006 17:11 <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:ejhrgl$8qk_002(a)s938.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <fihll2tk6459claohe0hvb2uqr3t3ck5dd(a)4ax.com>, > Jonathan Kirwan <jkirwan(a)easystreet.com> wrote: >>On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 03:52:26 +0000, Eeyore >><rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>>Don Bowey wrote: >>> >>>> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> > T Wake wrote: >>>> >> "Don Bowey" <dbowey(a)comcast.net> wrote in message >>>> >>> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What if the 20 year old person trying to live on >>>> >>>> minimum wage needs health care. How can s/he afford it? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Many doctors will write off the cost of care for people who cannot > afford >>>> >>> to >>>> >>> pay, and start them off with free "samples" of meds. It's rare to > hear of >>>> >>> someone who is refused the help of a doctor. On the other-hand, a >>>> >>> Dr. >>>> >>> doesn't have to accept a patient who is abusive or has a known >>>> >>> habit > of >>>> >>> lieing to the Dr. >>>> >> >>>> >> Fair one, but the system still relies on doctors treating people >>>> >> "out > of the >>>> >> goodness of their hearts." >>>> > >>>> > This used to happen in the UK too before the NHS. It wasn't >>>> > considered > to be a >>>> > very satisfactory arrangement. >>>> > >>>> > Graham >>>> >>>> Not satisfactory to whom? Screw them. >>>> >>>> If it satisfies the doctor's wish to make someone well, that's enough. >>> >>>Heck, all credit to the doctors of the day but it meant that ppl were > reluctant to >>>seek treatment if they were poor. >> >>On your last part of your response, I'll add this: >> >>Most of my life, I have been uninsured -- meaning, self-insured. I >>wasn't particularly poor during that time, but I definitely would >>weigh whether or not to take my own children to the doctor, wondering >>and balancing the risks and costs. >> >>The fault of any mistakes I made over those years are entirely mine, >>of course, but I don't believe that the health care of children should >>be put to such questions, at all. Parents should not be asking >>themselves the questions I asked myself. I don't think there is any >>excuse at all for the fact that the US doesn't provide a baseline of >>health care for all children, regardless of means. >> >>Our society is better than that, I think. > > My folks didn't ask those questions. When we were sick we > went to the doctor. The Doc would take payment in chickens > or produce or something. Yeah.... now welcome to the 20th century. We'll work on getting you into the 21st century once you're comfortable with the 20th. Eric Lucas
From: lucasea on 16 Nov 2006 17:16 <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:ejhss9$8qk_003(a)s938.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <PBk6h.25043$TV3.18995(a)newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, > <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>news:ejcgcn$8ss_019(a)s858.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>> In article <aHL5h.3548$Sw1.2914(a)newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>, >>> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>> >>>><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>>news:ej78f4$8qk_006(a)s851.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>>>> In article <4555FCAF.C765CB5E(a)hotmail.com>, >>>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>>> ><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> >> lparker(a)emory.edu (Lloyd Parker) wrote: >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>What good are the other rights if you're dead? >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Reread the sentence. They are only talking about insurance >>>>>>> >> being a right, not getting medical care. There is a difference. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >Well, the difference would be kinda moot to the millions of >>>>>>> >Americans >>>>>>> >who >>>>> do >>>>>>> >not have insurance and cannot afford medical care, now wouldn't it? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now think about why they can't afford it. >>>>>> >>>>>>Their wages are too low maybe ? They can't get a better paying job. >>>>>>Other >>>>>>expenses come first out of necessity ? These would be typical reasons. >>>>> >>>>> No. Unfortunately, people's mindset is that they should get stuff >>>>> for free or pay very little. When a generic doesn't work as well >>>>> as the namebrand, people decide to stay with the generic because >>>>> they don't have to pay as much for it. >>>> >>>>Only if they or their doctor is stupid. >>> >>> Things have changed so that the doctor doesn't have a choice. >>> If a doctor no longer works for himself, he has to stay >>> within coporate guidelines. >> >>Yes, and insurance company guidelines say that they only have to >>substitute >>an *identical* generic. If it's identical (i.e., same active ingredient), >>then by definition, it works the same. When there is no identical >>generic, >>then they are free to prescribe whatever they want. If they substituted a >>generic that is not chemically identical, it was the choice of either the >>doctor or the patient. >> > > Generic only covers the ingredients of the medicine. It does not > cover the ingredientes of the packaging that medicine comes in. > If a person has problems with the packaging, how do you get out > of the "generic rule"? You're telling me that you're resourceful enough to know how a 20-year old making $10,000/year can afford to pay for car insurance and medical insurance, but yet you're not resourceful enough to figure out how to open intransigent packaging on medicine????? You really do go out of your way to look for ways to make things not work when you want to. Eric Lucas
From: T Wake on 16 Nov 2006 17:17 "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:455CDAA9.903F195C(a)hotmail.com... > > > T Wake wrote: > >> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >> > T Wake wrote: >> > >> >> Also, as house prices have gone through the roof - so has rent. Some >> >> insane >> >> examples are a three bedroom flat (apartment) in Knightsbridge which >> >> goes >> >> for ?7000 per week but in the "real world" a three bedroom >> >> semi-detached >> >> house will go for around ?900 per month. It amazes me how any one >> >> affords >> >> their accommodation charges (rent or mortgage) today. >> > >> > It's quite crazy. >> > >> > Even a room in a shared house is likely to set you back ~ ?240 p.c.m. >> >> While I think it is insane and unsustainable, I am a bit pleased as I >> currently own two houses which are rented out :-) > > My neighbour owns 2 flats which effectively pay for themselves by being > rented > out and they're his at the end of the day. It'll make for a reasonable > retirement. I should have done the same. My plan is they will pay for me to stop working very soon. Plus they are nice "presents" I can hold over my children...
From: lucasea on 16 Nov 2006 17:18
<jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:ejhsvk$8qk_004(a)s938.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <7KWdnWcl3aqsvsfYnZ2dnUVZ8sqdnZ2d(a)pipex.net>, > "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >> >><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>news:ejcgcn$8ss_019(a)s858.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>> In article <aHL5h.3548$Sw1.2914(a)newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>, >>> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>> >>>><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>>news:ej78f4$8qk_006(a)s851.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>>>> In article <4555FCAF.C765CB5E(a)hotmail.com>, >>>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>>> ><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> >> lparker(a)emory.edu (Lloyd Parker) wrote: >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >>>What good are the other rights if you're dead? >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Reread the sentence. They are only talking about insurance >>>>>>> >> being a right, not getting medical care. There is a difference. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >Well, the difference would be kinda moot to the millions of >>>>>>> >Americans >>>>>>> >who >>>>> do >>>>>>> >not have insurance and cannot afford medical care, now wouldn't it? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now think about why they can't afford it. >>>>>> >>>>>>Their wages are too low maybe ? They can't get a better paying job. >>>>>>Other >>>>>>expenses come first out of necessity ? These would be typical reasons. >>>>> >>>>> No. Unfortunately, people's mindset is that they should get stuff >>>>> for free or pay very little. When a generic doesn't work as well >>>>> as the namebrand, people decide to stay with the generic because >>>>> they don't have to pay as much for it. >>>> >>>>Only if they or their doctor is stupid. >>> >>> Things have changed so that the doctor doesn't have a choice. >>> If a doctor no longer works for himself, he has to stay >>> within coporate guidelines. >> >>So much better to have an NHS then, and get away from corporate rulings >>decreeing medical care. > > At least they have documentable reasons for decisions. If the > payment system is govnerment, then any old political whim > will make ruling decrees that don't have to make sense to anybody > if it is done to pay off a voting block. I can just see it...lobbying groups like People Against Treatment of Appendicitis will spring up all over the place. You are truly loony. Eric Lucas |