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From: lucasea on 16 Nov 2006 17:30 <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:eji035$8qk_021(a)s938.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <wTG6h.25550$TV3.5020(a)newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, > <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>news:ejf0uq$8ss_002(a)s792.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>> In article <GZadnR1moYq8q8fYnZ2dnUVZ8qmdnZ2d(a)pipex.net>, >>> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >>>> >>>><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>>news:ejckhl$8qk_003(a)s858.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>>>> In article <yt-dne7WCNI5zMrYRVnysw(a)pipex.net>, >>>>> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>>>>news:ej7ffd$8qk_042(a)s851.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>>>>>> In article <455615CC.2B8A045E(a)hotmail.com>, >>>>>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> >> >> Raising the minimum wage is stupid and insane. >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> >> >Why ? >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> It causes all other prices to eventually go up, especially >>>>>>>>> >> housing. >>>>>>>>> >> It eliminates wage competition. People's real productivity is >>>>>>>>> >> no longer measured nor rewarded with wage. >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >I saw it can be a slow as $5 an hour. >>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>> >> >Can anyone actually live on that ? >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> $10k/year? Yes. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >You wouldn't get far on ?5263 over here for sure. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I didn't say it was easy and one also has to give up a lot >>>>>>>>> of middle class "attitudes" ;-). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Around here you'd pay ~ ?3000 p.a. minimum just for >>>>>>>>a very basic rented room ! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In the US you can't plan on renting when you stop working. Part >>>>>>> of way we live is to spend a part of our wages on a place to live >>>>>>> that will become yours after a few years. That way you can >>>>>>> eliminate paying rent as part of your living expense. >>>>>> >>>>>>Your argument has more holes than swiss cheese. >>>>>> >>>>>>You cant plan on renting anywhere when you stop working. If you are >>>>>>earning >>>>>>$200 a week, how do you save for a place to live? Where do you live >>>>>>while >>>>>>you are saving? What do you eat? >>>>> >>>>> When I said plan, I meant long-term planning. That is why people >>>>> buy their own house and start paying the money they earn while >>>>> young to pay off the mortgage. When the mortgage is paid off, >>>>> they don't pay rent. The plan to stay in the house when >>>>> they quit working. >>>> >>>>When you are earning $200 per week, how much can you spare to pay off a >>>>mortgage? What duration are US Mortgages? How much of a deposit is >>>>normally >>>>put down? >>>> >>>>I know you meant long term planning, but earning minimum wage does not >>>>lend >>>>itself to that kind of living. People have to eat. They have to pay >>>>bills. >>>>They have to be able to save for a deposit. They have to live somewhere >>>>while they are waiting to buy their house. Etc. >>> >>> You don't have to borrow. The Portuguese around here make it a >>> family affair. Everybody in the extended family works, and then >>> they buy a house for cash. No borrowing. Now the family has >>> a house to live in and they begin to save for the next house. >>> Eventually everybody has their own house. >> >>Once again, you extrapolate from an extremely unusual case, to everybody >>in >>the country. And by the way, how recent was this Portuguese family affair >>thing done? I'll posit that you're also in the habit of extrapolating >>from >>45 years ago to the present, and I'll just say that the real estate market >>(and the economy as a whole) is a *very* different thing than it was 45 >>years ago. > > AFAIK, they're still doing this and will continue as long as > emigration continues. When was the last time you actually had visual evidence that they were doing this? 'AFAIK, they're still doing this" is an extrapolation. I don't want your extrapolations, I want actual data. Eric Lucas
From: lucasea on 16 Nov 2006 17:31 <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:eji0de$8qk_024(a)s938.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <9fbce$455b1e5e$49ecfcb$16796(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, > unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>> In article <kgl6h.25069$TV3.20095(a)newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, >>> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>> >>>>"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>news:4559DA19.3B5B7EC8(a)hotmail.com... >>>> >>>>> >>>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>And you like to imply things that just aren't true. You weren't >>>>>>>living >>>>>>>on >>>>>>>"$2/day". >>>>>> >>>>>>Right. It was $2/month. >>>>> >>>>>And you can also clean a whole house in 15 mins ? >>>> >>>>The thing that she conveniently glosses over >>> >>> >>> I did not gloss over it. I assumed that you were able to think >>> well enough to fill in those blanks. ARe you really that thinking >>> disabled that I have to specifically spec out all aspects? >>> >>> I said college. It was already established the decade that >>> occurred. I should have known better because you have shown >>> in this thread that you cannot read two sentences and figure >>> out how they relate. >> >> >>I sure hope he's not one of those you're trying >>to learn something from. > > Of course I'm learning. IDing head jams is very useful. > IDing irrevocable head jams is also useful. > > I've learned about different word meanings, tool names, and > how some administrative stuff works in his country. I've > figured out some the problems they have. You need to spend more time trying to figure our the problems that *you* have. Eric Lucas
From: T Wake on 16 Nov 2006 17:34 <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:vm57h.6460$IR4.3640(a)newssvr25.news.prodigy.net... > > <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message > news:ejhrgl$8qk_002(a)s938.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >> In article <fihll2tk6459claohe0hvb2uqr3t3ck5dd(a)4ax.com>, >> Jonathan Kirwan <jkirwan(a)easystreet.com> wrote: >>>On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 03:52:26 +0000, Eeyore >>><rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>Don Bowey wrote: >>>> >>>>> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>> > T Wake wrote: >>>>> >> "Don Bowey" <dbowey(a)comcast.net> wrote in message >>>>> >>> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> What if the 20 year old person trying to live on >>>>> >>>> minimum wage needs health care. How can s/he afford it? >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Many doctors will write off the cost of care for people who cannot >> afford >>>>> >>> to >>>>> >>> pay, and start them off with free "samples" of meds. It's rare to >> hear of >>>>> >>> someone who is refused the help of a doctor. On the other-hand, a >>>>> >>> Dr. >>>>> >>> doesn't have to accept a patient who is abusive or has a known >>>>> >>> habit >> of >>>>> >>> lieing to the Dr. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Fair one, but the system still relies on doctors treating people >>>>> >> "out >> of the >>>>> >> goodness of their hearts." >>>>> > >>>>> > This used to happen in the UK too before the NHS. It wasn't >>>>> > considered >> to be a >>>>> > very satisfactory arrangement. >>>>> > >>>>> > Graham >>>>> >>>>> Not satisfactory to whom? Screw them. >>>>> >>>>> If it satisfies the doctor's wish to make someone well, that's enough. >>>> >>>>Heck, all credit to the doctors of the day but it meant that ppl were >> reluctant to >>>>seek treatment if they were poor. >>> >>>On your last part of your response, I'll add this: >>> >>>Most of my life, I have been uninsured -- meaning, self-insured. I >>>wasn't particularly poor during that time, but I definitely would >>>weigh whether or not to take my own children to the doctor, wondering >>>and balancing the risks and costs. >>> >>>The fault of any mistakes I made over those years are entirely mine, >>>of course, but I don't believe that the health care of children should >>>be put to such questions, at all. Parents should not be asking >>>themselves the questions I asked myself. I don't think there is any >>>excuse at all for the fact that the US doesn't provide a baseline of >>>health care for all children, regardless of means. >>> >>>Our society is better than that, I think. >> >> My folks didn't ask those questions. When we were sick we >> went to the doctor. The Doc would take payment in chickens >> or produce or something. > > Yeah.... now welcome to the 20th century. We'll work on getting you into > the 21st century once you're comfortable with the 20th. Blimey, you are generous. I had her pegged as bogged down in the seventh or eighth.
From: lucasea on 16 Nov 2006 17:34 <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:eji182$8qk_029(a)s938.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <8oM6h.10671$yl4.3232(a)newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>, > <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >>"unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message >>news:98588$455b6c01$4fe757a$19388(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... >>>T Wake wrote: >>> >>> >>>> You know at McDonalds they hand over the sum of money they are told to, >>>> don't you? They don't get told to hand over a "dime." A number appears >>>> and they give that much money. Same as anyone else working on a cash >>>> register. >>> >>> They know how to add three columns, but they >>> don't know how to subtract three or four >>> coulmns in their heads. >> >> >>That's not how people at McDonald's give change. That's not how anybody >>gives change any more, they just give over the amount of money the cash >>register tells them to. If the bill is 5.35, and you give them a 10, the >>register will tell them to give you 4.65 in change, and they do. No >>special >>skills necessary or learned. > > You are wrong. It takes learning to know which coins are which > value. It takes learning to know what 1 and 5 and 10 and 20 > mean on the paper bills. Uh....it may have required an advanced degree when you were a kid, but kids are taught that in kindergarten nowadays. > There are people who do not know this stuff. If kids have > never handled money, have never been taught what money is, > how will they know that a dime is $.10? These things are taught in kindergarten. If a kid wasn't able to learn it then, s/he won't be able to learn it now. Eric Lucas
From: lucasea on 16 Nov 2006 17:39
<jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:eji1vk$8qk_030(a)s938.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <v1M6h.10666$yl4.242(a)newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>, > <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > <snip> > >>The usual reason for not wanting luxury extras like the www is that such >>services cost more and have the potential to cause more >>problems....except, >>in her case, they cost less, and they would cause fewer problems > > Definitely not. I would have more problems and I'm not ready to > ramp up w.r.t. learning how to deal with today's worms, virus, > and other bug infestations. They have really cool things now that do that for you. In about 15 years on the Internet, I've never once had a virus or worm. >> than she >>currently has, particularly if she got a (nearly free) upgrade to a used >>Pentium. Fear is a terrible thing. > > You seem to assume fear is always a reason. You are wrong. But then > you've often been wrong in this thread. I'm currently wondering > if your flawed thinking style has been burnt in. You're right, I'm wrong. Fear isn't the problem. The problem is you are so un-self-aware that you don't even comprehend the extent to which fear of change is preventing you from solving all the things you complain about. Or maybe it's simply that you actually prefer having lots of things to complain about.... Eric Lucas |