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From: T Wake on 4 Oct 2006 18:11 "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:45242D10.5A2D746E(a)hotmail.com... > > > T Wake wrote: > >> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote >> > John Fields wrote: >> >> On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:28:57 +0100, Eeyore wrote: >> >> >John Larkin wrote: >> >> >> On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:55:57 +0100, Eeyore wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> >It [WW2] simply has zero relevance to the issue at hand. Mind you, >> >> >> >just to put your fevered >> >> >American >> >> minds at rest, should European Islam be stupid enough to get 'nasty' >> >> expect another >> >> >Kristallnacht' with >> >> Muslims being progromised. >> >> >> >> >> >> I bet you're looking forward to that, boxcars and death camps. Does >> >> >> "get nasty" include acquiring political power? >> >> > >> >> >If it ever came to it, I'd expect it would be the public reacting, >> >> >not >> >> >the politicians. >> >> >> >> --- >> >> So then you're saying that you're all racists just waiting for >> >> something to happen so you can let it out? >> > >> > No. >> > >> > I'm saying that if someone threatens their fundamental freedoms, the >> > British public will defend them. >> >> Hopefully. >> >> I grow less and less sure of this as I watch public debate each day. > > I think you mean political debate. I doubt the public would stand for it. Nope, public debate - granted most of that is what the media show. I am not for one second suggesting chat shows or vox pop news is completely indicative of public opinion - however, the media needs to get listeners/viewers/readers so generally the opinions expressed _are_ representative. Our reactions to things are an example of public fear. The nonsense that goes on at Airports is a shocking example of how people would rather be messed around to "feel" safe, than actually institute effective security measures. When we all have to carry ID cards I will know the "war" is indeed over.
From: Gordon on 4 Oct 2006 18:11 On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 22:50:58 +0100, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >Gordon wrote: > >> On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:46:00 GMT, "Homer J Simpson" wrote: >> >"Ken Smith" <kensmith(a)green.rahul.net> wrote in message >> > >> >>>Clinton was successful. >> >>> >> >>>Bush is a failure. >> >> >> >> Unless you assume some really bad things about his motives that is. >> > >> >9/11 was Bush's failure. >> >> How long had Bush been in office when 9/11 occurred? Who was in >> office the 8 years before that? > >What's that got to do with it ? > >You're going to suggest next that politicians currently in power won't >take the credit for the success of their predecessors' policies too ? > >The fact is that it happened 'on Bush's watch' and he's responsible. > >Graham > Had the 9/11 attacks happened during the Bush inauguration ceremony, would this have been because of Bush's negligence and ineptitude? How about the day after the inauguration? The week after? The month after? What would be a reasonable cut-off date for any responsibility of the previous presidency? Gordon
From: John Fields on 4 Oct 2006 18:12 On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:51:08 +0100, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >John Fields wrote: > >> I think the US's actions speak otherwise in that, clearly, we have >> no aspirations to Empire. > >" the Project for the New American Century is a non-profit, educational organization >whose goal is to promote American global leadership " > >http://www.newamericancentury.org/aboutpnac.htm > > >> Had we chosen to we could have kept >> Germany and Japan after we beat them, but we didn't. > >The *USA* didn't beat them and they weren't yours to keep. --- We sure as hell did, and they were spoils of war, to do with as we saw fit. How do you think England got to be an empire, by giving it all back? -- John Fields Professional Circuit Designer
From: T Wake on 4 Oct 2006 18:17 "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:45242FA3.7D2197F4(a)hotmail.com... > > > T Wake wrote: > >> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote >> > T Wake wrote: >> >> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote >> >> > T Wake wrote: >> >> >> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote >> >> >> > T Wake wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Look at the [expletive deleted] from Leeds who blew up the >> >> >> >> underground. For them to function there has to be places where >> >> >> >> they can exist and move about. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Their homes it would seem and the streets in the places where >> >> >> > they >> >> >> > live. >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes. Because the local people support their fight. >> >> > >> >> > Actually it seems that local ppl have been genuinely surprised. >> >> >> >> I suspect most of them are. There have to be enough sympathisers for >> >> it >> >> to have happened though. >> > >> > It only needs very few. >> >> Still a non-zero number. >> >> People have to have not noticed the contact they had with the extremist >> who >> "corrupted" their belief. >> >> People have to have not noticed as they headed down the road towards the >> act. >> >> Some people will be innocently keeping themselves to themselves. Some >> will >> have encouraged it. >> >> The problem is, the cowards who encourage it, live to repeat the action >> another day. >> >> >> >> How can this be the case in a developed country with a >> >> >> democratically >> >> >> elected government and low unemployment? >> >> > >> >> > Because it has nothing to do with any of the above. >> >> >> >> Yet young, educated men decided to kill their country men. >> >> >> >> The problem is they had become disassociated with their own country >> >> enough for this to happen. If they had come from an integrated part of >> >> society it would have been less likely to happen and they would have >> >> been less able to function. >> > >> > I can elaborate on this for sure. >> > >> > 'Traditional' Islamic families have almost nothing in common with the >> > norms of British society. It's inevitable that some of their kids will >> > find >> it >> > perplexing and revolt ( one way or the other ). >> > >> > Integration is anathema to these ppl. How do you fix that ? >> >> Sadly, the only solution is to ask them to leave. I am a huge fan of the >> freedoms and rights I have as a British citizen. If some one chooses to >> come >> to live in this country, then they should live by the rules and customs. >> They have actively chosen to come here. >> >> If I went to Iran (for example) and tried to open a pub selling >> Australian >> lager would I get away with it? >> >> Note: This does not just apply to Islam. All ghettoisation is wrong and >> causes nothing but trouble. Integration is the only long term option. > > I'm rather inclined to agree. > > I fail to see how 'hard line' Muslims can ever be happy here. > They cant. They will never be happy. If they really did want to live under Sharia Law and the like, they would move countries. They want the privilege and rights of the country while still being able to throw themselves about like a big man in the local community (ala IRA gunmen in the seventies - if they wanted to be part of the free state they could have bloody well moved!). (Yes, I know this is simplistic...)
From: John Fields on 4 Oct 2006 18:17
On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:55:23 +0100, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >Keith wrote: > >> To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com says... >> > On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:39:04 -0700, John Larkin wrote: >> > >On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:13:11 -0700, John Larkin wrote: >> > >>On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:25:32 +0100, Eeyore wrote: >> > >> >> > >>>Bunch of damn cowboys. >> > >> >> > >>Yaaa-hoo! >> > >> >> > >>John >> > > >> > >Which reminds me that it's time to mosey on home and watch the next >> > >episode of "Deadwood" >> > > >> > >John >> > >> > I'll get out my copy of "Tombstone" ;-) >> >> Meanwhile, the stuffed donkey will watch the documentary about the >> wild west, "Blazing Saddles". > >I've never watched it. It's far too tedious. --- Hmmm... I guess you've never watched the documentary about American Air Traffic Control; 'Airport', either? -- John Fields Professional Circuit Designer |