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From: jmfbahciv on 26 Jan 2007 08:39 In article <2cda2$45b94c58$49ecf8f$1275(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> In article <45B8C4A5.BCD7F27C(a)hotmail.com>, >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>> >>> >>>>They [Europeans] can afford to make >>>>these errors because their governments assume the US will >>>>save them with its military might. >>> >>>What do we need your military might for ? >> >> >> I don't know. I suspect so the politicians can point at the >> US and call us the bad people when things don't go perfectly. >> Smoke and mirrors. > >We saved them twice in the last century. They've done nothing >to improve their security situation since then, so eventually >we'll probably have to save them again. But we already have done it again..and again and again. You forget Europe failure in dealing with the Balkans. It wasn't Europe the Arabs turned to and asked for help during the First Gulf War. It is Europe and people who think like them who insist that it is the US' job to deal with North Korea...not China's, not Japan's, not Russia's,..but the US. /BAH
From: unsettled on 26 Jan 2007 08:46 jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > In article <c866$45b94bf5$49ecf8f$1275(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, > unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: > >>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >> >>>In article <6f37f$45b7d4b2$4fe74e1$20782(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, >>> unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Ken Smith wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>In article <ep7plh$8qk_001(a)s899.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, >>>>><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote: >>>>>[.....] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Or the defense attorney produces a legal loophole. That's >>>>>>what happened in Italy. Now, I have not heard if Italy's >>>>>>legislatures (or whatever they call theirs) has plugged >>>>>>the loopholes. England's response was holding people for 30 days. >>>>>>This is not adequate. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>These "loop holes" you see are the rights of defendants to a trial etc. >>>> >>>>Usually they're mistakes made by legislators when they're >>>>drafting a new law. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>You are arguing that the government should be able to hold people without >>>>>cause for as long as the government chooses to do so. >>>> >>>>I haven't seen that. Has she actually said that? >>> >>> >>>No, I haven't. They jumped off the deep end with their assumption >>>that these matters fall into the criminal category and claim >>>that this will deal with the dangers of these terrorists. What is >>>really puzzling is that their method did not stop their >>>home grown terrorists at all. Their methods allowed those people >>>to continue to make messes and they appear to be willing clean >>>up the messes. >> >>The never have gotten over Ghandi and their guilt for >>their wholesale mistrating of all their colonials for >>centuries. There appears to be some British sense that >>if they spoil their criminals the government will >>finally be better loved around the world. LOL > > > I think this has more to do with the West figuring out that > exspansionism wasn't working and started to stop. It took > until WWII for Germany and Japan to change their minds. > France still has wafts of it hanging around but is no > longer willing to military might behind their ideas. > Now we have society centers in the Middle East who are > finally rich enough to fund expansionistic projects. > India and Pakistan haven't settled their boundary differences. > China is inching their boundaries slowly out. > > It isn't guilt that causes the English to behave the way they do > in these matters. It is socialism that does. It only takes > a teensy upset of the society to push it into communistic dictatorship > or an anarchy. Either way, the Western civ piece of the > society will disappear. Now reread what I wrote as a small contribution to the irony genre.
From: jmfbahciv on 26 Jan 2007 08:43 In article <6024f$45b9ebfd$4fe725d$7131(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >unsettled wrote: > >> T Wake wrote: >> >>> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>> news:epaaq8$8qk_007(a)s795.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >> >> >>>> It >>>> has continued to underestimate dangers and doesn't seem >>>> to learn from its mistakes. They can afford to make >>>> these errors because their governments assume the US will >>>> save them with its military might. When we don't succeed >>>> according to their expectations, we get dismissed as not >>>> knowing anything about how to do foreign policy nor >>>> statemanship. >> >> >>> You round up with this drivel, which simply shows your lack of >>> understanding. >> >> >> Less than a year ago, in February 2006: >> >> "Lebanon's interior minister has quit after protesters >> sacked Beirut's Danish embassy in more ructions over >> cartoons depicting the prophet Muhammad." >> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4684250.stm >> >> And we said nothing >> >> Lebanon, over the past few days, has had its Krystalnacht. > > > >Oddly enough, the only web site that mentions "broken glass" >in its reporting happens to be an Indian one. I suppose the >more western press avoids the comparison. > >[Bold Headline] >Beirut wakes up to shattered glass, debris > >"Most of the residents in the Tarek al-Jadidah neighbourhood >and areas next to the Arab University were in the streets >since the early hours of the morning sweeping shattered >glass from their apartments and removing the debris from >their balconies." > >http://www.indiaenews.com/middle-east/20070126/37069.htm > >"It was commonly called die Kristallnacht (German for >'the crystal night'), evoking many shop windows, mostly >owned by Jewish shopkeepers, that were broken during the >night." > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krystalnacht > >This time it is the Christians under attack > > > >> "One person is reported dead and several others >> injured in violent clashes between university students >> in the Lebanese capital of Beirut. >> >> "Officials said the rioting broke out after students >> belonging to a Shiite group, which supports the >> Hezbollah-led opposition, argued with members of a >> pro-government group over Tuesday's general strike. >> >> "The violence spilled into nearby streets as protesters >> tossed rocks at one another. Several fires were set in >> the streets. >> >> "Hezbollah has pledged to topple the western-backed >> democratic government in the country." >> >> http://www.cfra.com/headlines/index.asp?cat=2&nid=46566 >> (and others.) >> >> This rioting has gone on several days. >> >> And we said nothing >> >> The handwriting is on the wall, with nobody reading it (again). >> >> Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:06:31 -0600 >> Message ID: <R9GdnWobLK3FuijYnZ2dnUVZ8tOmnZ2d(a)pipex.net> >> >> [BAH] >> >If you try to think a little bit, Iran won't need to have >> >> bases in the beginning. >> >> [T Wake] >> Blimey. This means your earlier post was nonsense then? >> >> http://www.silentera.com/CBD/img/elephant.jpg > Well done. It's not making any news waves in my corner. I sure would like to know what Kerry promised. /BAH
From: Eeyore on 26 Jan 2007 08:51 jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> >> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: > >> >> >"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote > >> >> > > >> >> >> Any longer was rejected by Parliament. > >> >> > > >> >> >IMHO 30 days is too long, but I suspect I am in a minority there. > >> >> > >> >> These people take years to plan their attacks. And you think 30 days > >> >> is too long?! > >> > > >> >It is for someone who's innocent ! > >> > >> Your laws do assume innocence until proven guilty...right? Thus > >> all are innocent. Are you willing to wait until a mess is made > >> and then have the law infrastructure deal with these people? > > > >Are you trying to suggest that there would be suspects who were simply > >allowed to continue do their evil deed ? > > Of course there will be. No law enforcement infrastructure > is infallible. If your laws force your police to let someone, > go, that person will not be deterred from making a mess. What > makes you think that he will stop his plans? If someone's let go they can still be arrested again if there's new evidence. > >> What if the infrastructure isn't there any more becaues that > >> is what was messed up. > > > >You overestimate what a few ppl can achieve. You're quite obsessed by the > >curious idea that our society is so flimsy that it'll fall over if anyone so > >much as huffs and puffs at it. I don't share your fears. > > A very small huff and puff happened in New Orleans. It's infrastructure > is still in shatters. It doesn't seem that anyone knows how to rebuild > it without calling in the US Army. Thaty just goes to show how powerless the Islamist terrorists are compared to mother nature. > One passenger boat sinking in (I think) the Red Sea caused a riot > and shut down a port. So ? The families of the passengers were angry ! What's odd about that ? I don't recall the port being shut btw. As for your 'riot' I think it was more of a noisy demonstration but I expect the US news ppl exaggerate this stuff. > I am assuming that all welfare, upper-middle class neighborhoods will > be in the same situation. Noone knows how to fix stuff nor cope > with stuff that breaks. What are you rambling on about now ? Graham
From: Eeyore on 26 Jan 2007 08:54
jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > >And furthermore you can't "kill everyone in the Underground". > > > >You're 'losing the plot' again BAH ! > > Yes, you can. You cannot kill everyone in the Underground you nitwit ! Graham |