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From: Phil Carmody on 26 Jan 2007 10:08 jmfbahciv(a)aol.com writes: > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> >That's unacceptable in a civilised society. > >> > >> You mean, a Western civilized society. > > > >No, any decent civilised society. > > Which, by your definition is the Western. You're letting your blinkered racist core show through. > Take a look at > what constitutes a "decent" civilized society when the > extremists are in charge. You really have no grasp of the English language, do you? Phil -- "Home taping is killing big business profits. We left this side blank so you can help." -- Dead Kennedys, written upon the B-side of tapes of /In God We Trust, Inc./.
From: Lloyd Parker on 26 Jan 2007 04:55 In article <91bbf$45b9442c$49ecf8f$1124(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >Lloyd Parker wrote: > >> In article <4b867$45b7d141$4fe74e1$20240(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, >> unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >> >>>Ken Smith wrote: >>> >>> >>>>In article <7539e$45b764bc$4fe7370$11158(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, >>>>unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >>>>[.....] >>>> >>>> >>>>>Unless they're held under conditions not acceptable to some >>>>>of our "friends" they'll continue with their program from >>>>>jail. >>>> >>>> >>>>This is simply false and I believe beneath you. >>> >>>For Christs sakes it has been done. The lawyer is in >>>prison for being the carrier. Get a grip already. >>> >>>These people need to be held under conditions which don't >>>allow any communication with the outside. That includes >>>prevention of contact with randomly chosen or appointed >>>lawyers and clergy. >> >> >> And if we were a fascist state, you'd be right. > >I'm right anyway. > >> Unfortunately, we've got that >> pesky bill of rights. > >Bullshit like this is easy enough to type, but impossible >to demonstrate. Which Amendment is it that prohibits holding >a dangerous terrorist incommunicado? 6th -- "the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial... to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation, to be confronted with the witnesses against him, to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense." 8th -- "excessive bail shall not be required..." 5th -- "nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law..." Plus Article 1, section 9 -- "habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases or rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it." > > > I know you right-wingers hate it. > >Make you feel good to write that? It has no other >value than to make you feel good. > > >>>I can hear the objections already. > >> Yes, the US constitution, which you despise. > >Show me. > >
From: Lloyd Parker on 26 Jan 2007 04:56 In article <45B94793.F24C904C(a)hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >> >> >"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote >> >> > >> >> >> Any longer was rejected by Parliament. >> >> > >> >> >IMHO 30 days is too long, but I suspect I am in a minority there. >> >> >> >> These people take years to plan their attacks. And you think 30 days >> >> is too long?! >> > >> >It is for someone who's innocent ! >> >> Your laws do assume innocence until proven guilty...right? Thus >> all are innocent. Are you willing to wait until a mess is made >> and then have the law infrastructure deal with these people? > >Are you trying to suggest that there would be suspects who were simply allowed >to continue do their evil deed ? > First prove they've done an "evil deed." Suspicion is not proof. Arrest is not proof. > >> What if the infrastructure isn't there any more becaues that >> is what was messed up. > >You overestimate what a few ppl can achieve. You're quite obsessed by the >curious idea that our society is so flimsy that it'll fall over if anyone so >much as huffs and puffs at it. I don't share your fears. > >Graham >
From: Lloyd Parker on 26 Jan 2007 04:58 In article <2cda2$45b94c58$49ecf8f$1275(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> In article <45B8C4A5.BCD7F27C(a)hotmail.com>, >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>> >>> >>>>They [Europeans] can afford to make >>>>these errors because their governments assume the US will >>>>save them with its military might. >>> >>>What do we need your military might for ? >> >> >> I don't know. I suspect so the politicians can point at the >> US and call us the bad people when things don't go perfectly. >> Smoke and mirrors. > >We saved them twice in the last century. They've done nothing >to improve their security situation since then, so eventually >we'll probably have to save them again. > Yes, all that stands between the Iraqis and Britain is... Well, Turkey, Greece, all the Balkans, Italy, Switzerland, Austria, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, the Alps, the English Channel... But hey, the invasion is probably under way! After all, the US saved Europe from Genghis Khan, right?
From: Ken Smith on 26 Jan 2007 10:10
In article <epcqla$8ss_002(a)s846.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote: [.....] >Even a representative democracy needs to have some way to deal >with the people who go after little kids, and make other kinds >of messes. A democracy does not, and never has, meant that >all people can do anything they want without punishment. Democracies create laws and enforce them to deal with such issues. Totalitarians have more trouble than democracies in this area. In a democracy, nobody is above the law. This includes the police and the military. This way all criminals are subject to the law. IMO it is the best way to do things. -- -- kensmith(a)rahul.net forging knowledge |