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From: Eeyore on 26 Jan 2007 07:25 Phil Carmody wrote: > unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> writes: > > It has come to my attention that a good (top of the line) > > computer case matches or exceeds the price of a reasonable > > motherboard these days. > > > > A cheap case is ~1/3 the cost of that same motherboard. > > > > Can you show me where I'm mistaken? Are they simply marking > > up the excellent cases more then the cheap ones? Is there > > a conspiracy among manufacturers that they're all setting > > their pricing the same way? > > You're right. The cheaper ones have much cheaper PSUs. > Power ratings on PSUs are notoriously exagerated, particularly > amongst cheap ones. The expensive cases are also prettier and you pay for that too. Graham
From: jmfbahciv on 26 Jan 2007 07:20 In article <RpudnXjBi_-ulCTYnZ2dnUVZ8rKdnZ2d(a)pipex.net>, "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: > ><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >news:epak56$8ss_005(a)s1090.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >> In article <45B782A7.A2676982(a)hotmail.com>, >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>> >>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>> >> unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >>>> >> >T Wake wrote: >>>> >> > >>>> >> >> You see, here you demand that people be punished on the suspicion >> that >>>> >> >> they intend to do harm. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> It is sad you do not see this is a morally wrong thing to do. >>>> >> > >>>> >> >Naive views. >>>> >> > >>>> >> >You've ignored that conspiracy to commit a "main crime" is a >>>> >> >criminal act even before the "main crime" has been committed. >>>> >> >People are sent to prison for this rather frequently. >>>> >> > >>>> >> >Conspiracy is the usual case in the forms of terrorism that >>>> >> >are the basis of these discussions. >>>> >> >>>> >> When someone is arrested for this, do they not get to post >>>> >> bail and get out? Why would such a person stop making >>>> >> plans to make a mess just because he's been arrested and >>>> >> may have a trial in two years? >>>> > >>>> >In the UK you can't buy yourself out of jail by posting a bail bond. >>>> >It's >>>> >down to the police themselves in simple cases and a judge in more >>>> >serious >>>> cases >>>> >whether bail will be offered. >>>> >>>> What if your judge has your opinion that there isn't any serious >>>> threats by these terrorists? >>> >>>If the judge believes that, I'd be inclined to trust his opinion. >>> >>>You see in the UK there has to be a high standard of evidence before a >>>charge >> is >>>even brought in the first place. >> >> Exactly. Your chances of having a mess becomes more likely than >> less likely. > >This is another sign of your dislike of democracy and people's rights. Why >you live in the West is beyond me. Other than the religious orientation you >would be much more suited in the Middle East. Not at all. > >What you are saying here is that because innocent people can not be >punished, there is more chance of something bad happening. You keep assuming that those who are planning to destroy your infrastructure are innocent. They are not. > >You are really off the rails. > >>>> >Terrorists would clearly be held ( and are so in fact ) on remand >>>> >pending >>>> >their trial. >>>> >>>> But only if your police can gather enough evidence to prove there >>>> is a likelihood of guilt. >>> >>>That's how a decent justice system woorks. Correct. We don't lock ppl up >>>on >>>suspicion alone. >>> >>> >>>> I think London escaped a mess by the skin of their teeth. >>> >>>Which supposed 'mess' did you have in mind ? >> >> I think it was on the news this past summer. > >There were lots of things on the news. Can you be any more specific? > >Is this another example of where your memory may have conflated multiple >bits of information and caused you to conclude something different to >everyone else? Perhaps the BBC made up another story. There were a lot of news items here that talked about a terrorist cell who had plans to blow up the Underground. The news here reported that the cops decided to move in and arrest them because the cops thought the date of the bombings were within the next week. Nobody blinked about the delay of picking them up. /BAH
From: Eeyore on 26 Jan 2007 07:37 jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> > > >> >> Having been in meetings where these FCC issues were > >> >> discussed and hearing how DEC decided what we going to do > >> >> with VT05s might give me the idea that I know what I'm talking > >> >> about. > >> > > >> >You mean DEC *were* aware of the prblem after all ? > >> > > >> >That's not what you previously suggested. > >> > >> It wasn't a problem in 1972. > > > >You mean it wasn't widely known to be a problem. > > No, it wasn't a problem that manufacturers had to deal with > because those terminals were never meant to be used in the > home. They were to be used in computer rooms which > were chock full of gear that emitted lots of EMF. In which case it may well have been a problem. The same mechanism that allows radiation of RF allows other RF energy to interfere with correct operation. That's why the subject is called EMC ( electro-magnetic compatability ) these days. Graham
From: jmfbahciv on 26 Jan 2007 07:37 In article <2cec1$45b962a3$4fe73cc$1680(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >T Wake wrote: > >> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >> news:epab2u$8qk_008(a)s795.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >> >>>In article <45B61DBC.34732159(a)hotmail.com>, >>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>T Wake wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>"unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message >>>>> >>>>>>Time has no hold on bias. People are just as biased about >>>>>>an event that happened 5 minutes ago as one that happened >>>>>>36,500 days ago. Your persistent America bashing shows your >>>>>>bias despite the internet and TV, so it isn't a communications >>>>>>and information issue. >>>>> >>>>>It is a shame you think I am bashing America. I think America has a lot >>>>>going for it and should be prepared to live up to the high standards. >>>> >>>>I agree. >>> >>>We will never live "up" to your standards because those standards >>>are based in a political philosophy different from ours. >> >> >> Until this thread, I would have thought you were wrong here. It seems that >> this one time, you are quite correct. >> >> >>>You keep >>>insisting that we do everything perfectly while you all set back >>>and watch us do the mess cleaning for you. >> >> >> And there you go, back to being massively wrong again. > >I don't always agree with BAH, but there's a strong historical >basis for her statement. Which is where I got my data. Your writeup, I think it was yesterday, about this hidden assumption sound more correct than what I've tried to figure out before now. We need to understand this attitude in order to plan, I think. /BAH
From: Phil Carmody on 26 Jan 2007 07:52
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> writes: > Phil Carmody wrote: > > > unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> writes: > > > It has come to my attention that a good (top of the line) > > > computer case matches or exceeds the price of a reasonable > > > motherboard these days. > > > > > > A cheap case is ~1/3 the cost of that same motherboard. > > > > > > Can you show me where I'm mistaken? Are they simply marking > > > up the excellent cases more then the cheap ones? Is there > > > a conspiracy among manufacturers that they're all setting > > > their pricing the same way? > > > > You're right. The cheaper ones have much cheaper PSUs. > > Power ratings on PSUs are notoriously exagerated, particularly > > amongst cheap ones. > > The expensive cases are also prettier and you pay for that too. I, however, don't. Hence the failures! Note that I run between 5 and 8 machines constantly at home, so 4 PSU failures isn't that high a proportion. Phil -- "Home taping is killing big business profits. We left this side blank so you can help." -- Dead Kennedys, written upon the B-side of tapes of /In God We Trust, Inc./. |