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From: Ken Smith on 27 Jan 2007 11:51 In article <epfiec$8qk_002(a)s788.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote: >In article <45BA08CD.A94D6585(a)hotmail.com>, > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >>> The only thing I've been discussing in this thread is about very >>> speicfic mess preventions. The US is trying to deal with preventing >>> these messes. >> >>But it's the USA that's responsible for the underlying scenarios that causes >>these 'messes' in the first place. > >hmm....Thus, using your reasoning, if you get shot during a bank >robbery, it is your fault for being in the bank. No. If you go around opening the cage door on rabid pitbulls, you are responsible for people getting bitten. > >/BAH -- -- kensmith(a)rahul.net forging knowledge
From: Ken Smith on 27 Jan 2007 11:59 In article <epfj3s$8qk_006(a)s788.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote: [.....] >You keep insisting that the people who want to destroy Western >civilization are criminals. Under whose law? Those who acted in the US broke many US laws before 9/11. The ones in the UK broke many law of the UK. The ones in Spain broke spanish law. > When a military >group from another country blows up bridges and trains and kills >civilians, I call that a war, not a criminal act. But that isn't what is happening so why to you bring it up? > > ><snip> > >/BAH -- -- kensmith(a)rahul.net forging knowledge
From: Ken Smith on 27 Jan 2007 12:00 In article <45BB5BCC.CA4B3110(a)hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: [.....] >> You keep insisting that the people who want to destroy Western >> civilization are criminals. Under whose law? > >The relevant law of the land in question. Also, I believe they violated German law too. Even when they did not act in Germany. -- -- kensmith(a)rahul.net forging knowledge
From: unsettled on 27 Jan 2007 12:05 unsettled wrote: > T Wake wrote: >> I seriously hope you do not view Muslims as a different species from >> "non-Muslims" where we are unable to ask them questions and partake / >> observe their rituals and practices. Maybe you do, it would explain lots. > If that was meant to be rhetorical then reply is unnecessary. T Wake, thanks for your silence which provides the answer.
From: Ken Smith on 27 Jan 2007 12:09
In article <epfj81$8qk_007(a)s788.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote: >In article <epd5lu$8oj$3(a)blue.rahul.net>, > kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote: >>In article <epcqla$8ss_002(a)s846.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, >> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote: >>[.....] >>>Even a representative democracy needs to have some way to deal >>>with the people who go after little kids, and make other kinds >>>of messes. A democracy does not, and never has, meant that >>>all people can do anything they want without punishment. >> >>Democracies create laws and enforce them to deal with such issues. > >Those laws apply to the citizens of that country during peace time. Yes and also during war and also others who are within the country and also in many cases anyone anywhere in the world. A lot of countries have laws that make things illegal for anyone to do anywhere in the world. > >>Totalitarians have more trouble than democracies in this area. In a >>democracy, nobody is above the law. This includes the police and >>the military. This way all criminals are subject to the law. IMO it is >>the best way to do things. > >But those, who intend to kill you, don't honor those laws. They >believe your laws are contrary to their religious laws. So >they will not play using your rules. They will use your rules >as tactics against you. It doesn't matter one bit what they think of the laws. The police will arrest them the courts will try them and if they are found guilty they will go to jail. It does matter what the populace they are embedded within thinks of them. If that populace sees them as heroic soldiers in some great cause they will help them. If they see them as criminals they are less likely to. If you call it a war, you incease the number of people who believe they are soldiers and hence their support. It also matters what the people who hold them selves out as better than the terrorists do. When they give up their standards, they become in the eyes of many just more terrorists. Some years back, the public in some areas of New York refered to the police as "the big gang". They behaved just like the criminals. As a result, they got no help from the populace. The same can happen in the international frame. -- -- kensmith(a)rahul.net forging knowledge |