From: MassiveProng on
On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 08:56:00 -0600, unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com>
Gave us:

>
>MP is an "angry man" who lashes out for the sake of lashing out.


You're an absolute retard. I read this thread from
sci.electronics.design you idiot.

I said MAKE the entire time it was discussed.

You fucked up, and backstepping is NOT an option.
From: MassiveProng on
On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 09:17:48 -0600, unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com>
Gave us:

>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
>
>> In article <45BB5F73.55484113(a)hotmail.com>,
>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>T Wake wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I suppose you'd have them round them up now and detain them without
>>>>>>>>>trial ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Because in BAH's world that is so much better than following them and
>>>>>>>>finding out who else they interact with......
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I mean, why attack the network when you can get caught up swatting
>>
>> the
>>
>>>>>>>>little flies at the edges.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Silly me, I forgot to mention that aspect of it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes of course they can get more and better intelligence by giving their
>>>>>>>suspects a sense of false security.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In fact 5 Muslims were arrested earlier this week in connection with an
>>>>>>>ongoing enquiry AIUI. All this stuff requires intelligence ( both sorts
>>
>> !
>>
>>>>>>>).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The best way to traceback contacts isn't by noting people
>>>>>>contacts but by watching the cash flows. You people are
>>>>>>aware that an internet exists? People no longer have to
>>>>>>physically meet to plan to make a mess.
>>>>>
>>>>>But they do physically meet. How else do you think they make their bombs
>>
>> etc
>>
>>>>>?
>>>>
>>>>The members of each group do not have to meet their handlers any
>>>>more. This is no longer the Cold War and email, cell phones, and
>>>>FedEx are available commercially.
>>>
>>>What 'handlers' LMAO ?
>>>
>>>All the evidence to date has shown that these UK groups have acted entirely
>>>independently.
>>>
>>>You still haven't addressed how a group make a bomb. It can't be done single
>>>handedly.
>>
>>
>> Since we've had high school kids make them, I assumed that people
>> living in Europe had enough brains to make them, too. You
>> do know that these things are getting taught in the mosques;
>> don't you?
>
>There's no reason to believe that McVeigh couldn't have built
>his truck bomb single handedly.


Yes, he *could* have. He was trained in the military, dipshit.

The fact remains, however, that he did it with assistance.
From: T Wake on

<jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message
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> In article <45BB596C.6B6BAC91(a)hotmail.com>,
> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote:
>>> ><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message
>>> >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
>>> >>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >What do we need your military might for ?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I don't know.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Neither do I. The 'host countries' for your overseas bases quite like
> the
>>> >>> income from them though.
>>> >>
>>> >> And you also keep asking for our help.
>>> >
>>> >Can you give a couple of examples?
>>>
>>> WWI, WWII, Viet Nam, Korea, West Germany, Balkans.
>>
>>America *chose* to enter WWI. The Germans were already almost beaten by
>>the
> time
>>US troops arrived.
>
> Everything I've read had Europe at a standoff. It took the US
> to come in and break it up.

Really? Might actually be the case. The US didn't get involved just because
Europe asked for it though, otherwise they would have been there in 1914
when they would have really helped.

>>Korea was a *UN* action and was far from just the USA.
>>
>>Neither West Germany or the Balkans have *asked* for US forces. In both
>>cases
> US
>>forces were there as part of the NATO alliance anyway.
>>
>>Viernam was a disaster. Why do you mention it ?
>
> Because France asked for help. The US gave it. Then
> it got stuck with it. This seems to be France's SOP.

Weak argument. The US didn't really help the French - i.e. there was no
massive troop deployments or air support (which may have helped the French),
they sent military advisors in.

The French pulled out in 1954, the US took responsibility for training the
ARVN in 1956. Despite your claims that they were there at the behest of the
French, I suspect the reality is the US were there because it was in line
with US foreign policy and it was actually Ngo Dinh Diem who wanted them
there.


From: T Wake on

<jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message
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> In article <epd4ue$f3g$3(a)leto.cc.emory.edu>,
> lparker(a)emory.edu (Lloyd Parker) wrote:
>>In article <2cda2$45b94c58$49ecf8f$1275(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>,
>> unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote:
>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <45B8C4A5.BCD7F27C(a)hotmail.com>,
>>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>They [Europeans] can afford to make
>>>>>>these errors because their governments assume the US will
>>>>>>save them with its military might.
>>>>>
>>>>>What do we need your military might for ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't know. I suspect so the politicians can point at the
>>>> US and call us the bad people when things don't go perfectly.
>>>> Smoke and mirrors.
>>>
>>>We saved them twice in the last century. They've done nothing
>>>to improve their security situation since then, so eventually
>>>we'll probably have to save them again.
>>>
>>
>>Yes, all that stands between the Iraqis and Britain is...
>>
>>Well, Turkey, Greece, all the Balkans, Italy, Switzerland, Austria,
>>Germany,
>>Belgium, Netherlands, the Alps, the English Channel...
>>
>>But hey, the invasion is probably under way!
>>
>>After all, the US saved Europe from Genghis Khan, right?
>
> With modern technology, supply routes for the military
> doesn't have a limit. That's what stopped the Ottomans.
> I'm not sure about Genghis Khan. I haven't read enough
> about how he and his sons set up their governing.

Not very well. Part of what slowed the hordes down was Genghis' death. The
Franks had a similar problem.

> I do
> know that it took quite a while before the Russians stopped
> paying their tribute to the Khans.

And?


From: T Wake on

<jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message
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> In article <epd57v$f3g$6(a)leto.cc.emory.edu>,
> lparker(a)emory.edu (Lloyd Parker) wrote:
<snip>
>>
>>No, but it does mean they have the right to a trial before they're
>>punished.
>
> You keep insisting that the people who want to destroy Western
> civilization are criminals. Under whose law?

Well, if they do it in the UK, under UK law. I assume the same would be true
in any other country.

Hasn't the US passed legislation designed to prevent terrorism?

> When a military
> group from another country blows up bridges and trains and kills
> civilians, I call that a war, not a criminal act.

Which country has invaded the US?