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From: T Wake on 27 Jan 2007 19:30 "unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message news:61ab6$45bbee47$4fe70dd$26171(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... >T Wake wrote: > > snip > >> All I can say is, it seems to me that religion is not genetically coded >> for. If it is, which religion? Which parts of religion? Why are religions >> different? etc. > > Might be, might not be, but it seems to me (and some others) > that it is. There are also other references (I've spent too > long on this today already so I'm not in the mood to go on > another search) that some forms of extreme religiosity > appear to be connected to frontal lobe epilepsy. > > I think we're (generic human) genetically coded to believe > in things beyond our ability to perceive. Possibly so, but this is different than saying it is coded for religion. > Consider that > without such a capacity much of modern physics would be > impossible. > > And consider also that our study of physics grew originally > out of our (generic human) need to explain things that don't > intuitively make sense. We (generic human) originally used > the tool called religion to explain those things, and actually > there is a boundary realm remaining of things we don't yet > understand that are given religious explanations. Of course > religion also incorporates a bunch of stuff for which no > explanation will ever be available, in the "why" genre which > science doesn't address but that human (generic) beings seem > to need answers for. >
From: unsettled on 27 Jan 2007 19:31 T Wake wrote: > "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:45BBE0A0.523C7A5D(a)hotmail.com... > >> >>T Wake wrote: >> >> >>>"unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message >>> >>>>T Wake wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>The insanity is the same, the actions carried out as a result of the >>>>>insanity are different. Does that mean the insanity is different? >>>> >>>>Certainly. The ones who cause the most harm to themselves >>>>or others are the most insane. >>> >>>Ok then I will modify my previous statement to saying fundamentalist >>>Muslims >>>are no more (or less) insane than any religious fundamentalist who >>>advocates >>>/ causes harm to others on the same scale. >> >>Which is one reason why the Palestine issue is destined to run and run. > > > Yep. When you get two insane people arguing, will it ever end? (I present > this thread as evidence the answer is no... :-)) Good Grief! A consensus.
From: T Wake on 27 Jan 2007 19:31 "Phil Carmody" <thefatphil_demunged(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:87ac04yoxj.fsf(a)nonospaz.fatphil.org... > "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> writes: >> "Phil Carmody" <thefatphil_demunged(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message >> news:878xfo14vu.fsf(a)nonospaz.fatphil.org... >> > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> writes: >> >> unsettled wrote: >> >> > Where's the bright line distinguishing fundamentalist from sane? >> >> >> >> Islamist are not medically insane, >> > >> > Have you ever played 'tick the boxes' with DSM IV? >> > >> > They're insane in spades, according to that. >> > 99% of usenet would be too, though. >> >> Only 99%. Phew.... > > But they post 100 times as much each as the sane ones. Sadly :( > (Jai Maharaj used to once boast about how he had posted over > one hundred thousand articles to Usenet, for example.) Now there is some one who is comfortably in the 99%....
From: Eeyore on 27 Jan 2007 19:33 Phil Carmody wrote: > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> writes: > > Phil Carmody wrote: > > > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> writes: > > > > It would in fact be a very serious mistake to underestimate the Islamists by > > > > assuming they're insane. > > > > > > > > The way they've planned and executed attacks with minimal materials to hand > > > > shows a great deal of inventiveness/resourcefulness. > > > > > > Sociopathic? > > > > If we were Muslims living in the ME who felt threatened by the USA they would seem > > like heroes / a resistance force. > > Yes. All things are relative. Sociopathic with respect to the > societal norms that we Western-Europeans/Americans maitain. > I'm fairly sure there are some fairly large communities where > the societal norms would be, to me, completely fucked up. The USA ? Films like Saw III which depict murder, mutilation and torture as entertainment say something very scary about the society that produces them. A trailer for it appeared on MSN some months back. I could hardly believe that it was considered to be suitable viewing for all hotmail users. What would young children make of it ? > However, I call into question 'heroic' nature of those who are > doing what they are doing not only because of the locally- > perceived benefits (the resistance, the freedom fighting), but > _also_, and in particular specifically, because some IPU has > promised them a small bunch of grapes in an 'afterlife'. That > kind of heroism is pretty cheap in my book. IPU ? Graham
From: T Wake on 27 Jan 2007 19:37
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:45BBEF4E.C5566C75(a)hotmail.com... > > > Phil Carmody wrote: > >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> writes: >> > Phil Carmody wrote: >> > > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> writes: >> > > > It would in fact be a very serious mistake to underestimate the >> > > > Islamists by >> > > > assuming they're insane. >> > > > >> > > > The way they've planned and executed attacks with minimal materials >> > > > to hand >> > > > shows a great deal of inventiveness/resourcefulness. >> > > >> > > Sociopathic? >> > >> > If we were Muslims living in the ME who felt threatened by the USA they >> > would seem >> > like heroes / a resistance force. >> >> Yes. All things are relative. Sociopathic with respect to the >> societal norms that we Western-Europeans/Americans maitain. >> I'm fairly sure there are some fairly large communities where >> the societal norms would be, to me, completely fucked up. > > The USA ? > > Films like Saw III which depict murder, mutilation and torture as > entertainment say > something very scary about the society that produces them. I disagree with you wholeheartedly here. I am far from convinced that media violence or activities has the impact on people that it is claimed. It certainly has not happened in my case, and it has not happened in the cases of anyone I know. While this is purely anecdotal evidence (and I am fully aware of how valuable that makes it...), the research which says "watching violence makes you violent" is shaky at best. It is the same as saying things like Playing Dungeons and Dragons makes you a Satanist or any of the other claims about "contemporary" culture which have been made over the years. |