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From: jmfbahciv on 28 Jan 2007 08:02 In article <XP6dndbNa8pZPybYRVnyhQA(a)pipex.net>, "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: > ><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >news:epfib6$8qk_001(a)s788.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >> In article <epd4ue$f3g$3(a)leto.cc.emory.edu>, >> lparker(a)emory.edu (Lloyd Parker) wrote: >>>In article <2cda2$45b94c58$49ecf8f$1275(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, >>> unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> In article <45B8C4A5.BCD7F27C(a)hotmail.com>, >>>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>They [Europeans] can afford to make >>>>>>>these errors because their governments assume the US will >>>>>>>save them with its military might. >>>>>> >>>>>>What do we need your military might for ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I don't know. I suspect so the politicians can point at the >>>>> US and call us the bad people when things don't go perfectly. >>>>> Smoke and mirrors. >>>> >>>>We saved them twice in the last century. They've done nothing >>>>to improve their security situation since then, so eventually >>>>we'll probably have to save them again. >>>> >>> >>>Yes, all that stands between the Iraqis and Britain is... >>> >>>Well, Turkey, Greece, all the Balkans, Italy, Switzerland, Austria, >>>Germany, >>>Belgium, Netherlands, the Alps, the English Channel... >>> >>>But hey, the invasion is probably under way! >>> >>>After all, the US saved Europe from Genghis Khan, right? >> >> With modern technology, supply routes for the military >> doesn't have a limit. That's what stopped the Ottomans. >> I'm not sure about Genghis Khan. I haven't read enough >> about how he and his sons set up their governing. > >Not very well. Part of what slowed the hordes down was Genghis' death. The Khans held Russia in their grip for a long time. >The >Franks had a similar problem. > >> I do >> know that it took quite a while before the Russians stopped >> paying their tribute to the Khans. > >And? It takes a century or more to get out from underneath a conqueror. /BAH
From: jmfbahciv on 28 Jan 2007 08:09 In article <epfvtk$pn5$1(a)blue.rahul.net>, kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote: >In article <epfiec$8qk_002(a)s788.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, > <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote: >>In article <45BA08CD.A94D6585(a)hotmail.com>, >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>> >>>> The only thing I've been discussing in this thread is about very >>>> speicfic mess preventions. The US is trying to deal with preventing >>>> these messes. >>> >>>But it's the USA that's responsible for the underlying scenarios that causes >>>these 'messes' in the first place. >> >>hmm....Thus, using your reasoning, if you get shot during a bank >>robbery, it is your fault for being in the bank. > >No. If you go around opening the cage door on rabid pitbulls, you are >responsible for people getting bitten. I'm glad you agree with me about keeping these types locked up. /BAH
From: jmfbahciv on 28 Jan 2007 08:12 In article <87ejpgypk1.fsf(a)nonospaz.fatphil.org>, Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> writes: >> Phil Carmody wrote: >> >> > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> writes: >> > > It would in fact be a very serious mistake to underestimate the Islamists by >> > > assuming they're insane. >> > > >> > > The way they've planned and executed attacks with minimal materials to hand >> > > shows a great deal of inventiveness/resourcefulness. >> > >> > Sociopathic? >> >> If we were Muslims living in the ME who felt threatened by the USA they would seem >> like heroes / a resistance force. > >Yes. All things are relative. Sociopathic with respect to the >societal norms that we Western-Europeans/Americans maitain. >I'm fairly sure there are some fairly large communities where >the societal norms would be, to me, completely fucked up. > >However, I call into question 'heroic' nature of those who are >doing what they are doing not only because of the locally- >perceived benefits (the resistance, the freedom fighting), but >_also_, and in particular specifically, because some IPU has >promised them a small bunch of grapes in an 'afterlife'. That >kind of heroism is pretty cheap in my book. The chunk of money given to the suicide bomber's family also helps. /BAH
From: Phil Carmody on 28 Jan 2007 08:20 unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> writes: > MassiveProng wrote: [...] > Furthermore, where it comes to this paragraph where you write > "*I* say that *I* could make shielded case A just as cheaply > as shitty shielded case B" you're not making the cases at all, > someone else is. > > Did you graduate junior high? Your writing is at a level below > what one would expect from a junior high school kid. Where did his all-caps go? He said he could MAKE the shielded case. Message-ID: <0t9lr25f2c3rkpbkpjrmmqgfv179o1ng4v(a)4ax.com> Phil -- "Home taping is killing big business profits. We left this side blank so you can help." -- Dead Kennedys, written upon the B-side of tapes of /In God We Trust, Inc./.
From: jmfbahciv on 28 Jan 2007 08:40
In article <ALKdnWeo0YCbsSfYRVnyuAA(a)pipex.net>, "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: > ><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >news:epcu03$8qk_001(a)s846.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >> In article <45B94793.F24C904C(a)hotmail.com>, >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>> >>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>> >> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >>>> >> >"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote >>>> >> > >>>> >> >> Any longer was rejected by Parliament. >>>> >> > >>>> >> >IMHO 30 days is too long, but I suspect I am in a minority there. >>>> >> >>>> >> These people take years to plan their attacks. And you think 30 days >>>> >> is too long?! >>>> > >>>> >It is for someone who's innocent ! >>>> >>>> Your laws do assume innocence until proven guilty...right? Thus >>>> all are innocent. Are you willing to wait until a mess is made >>>> and then have the law infrastructure deal with these people? >>> >>>Are you trying to suggest that there would be suspects who were simply >> allowed >>>to continue do their evil deed ? >> >> Of course there will be. No law enforcement infrastructure >> is infallible. If your laws force your police to let someone, >> go, that person will not be deterred from making a mess. What >> makes you think that he will stop his plans? > >What makes you think your ideas will be more infallible than a legal process >option? Dealing with the problem while it is still small makes success more likely. Waiting until it's too big to handle (WWII is an example) means that more money, lives and wealth will have to be used to prevent the enemy from winning. This is a war. What you can't seem to cope with is that you don't have a single country to deal with. Thus, diplomacy isn't one of the tools that can be used. You all have been so reliant on using diplomacy and dealing with countries, you can't seem to grasp that the rules have changed out from underneath you. > >>>> What if the infrastructure isn't there any more becaues that >>>> is what was messed up. >>> >>>You overestimate what a few ppl can achieve. You're quite obsessed by the >>>curious idea that our society is so flimsy that it'll fall over if anyone >>>so >>>much as huffs and puffs at it. I don't share your fears. >> >> A very small huff and puff happened in New Orleans. It's infrastructure >> is still in shatters. It doesn't seem that anyone knows how to rebuild >> it without calling in the US Army. > >(far from small, It was small in square miles affected and length of time. >but your sense of scale is as insane as your ideas about >civilised behaviour) > >Did it cause the downfall of western civilisation? In that area? Yes. They still do not have a law enforcement infrastructure and have been calling in the military for that function. > >Why is calling in the US Army a sign of failure? Two years after the mess was made? > That means people _do_ know >how to fix things. No. Their governor just made a speech complaining about the US not giving them enough money. They are corrupt. > >It is like saying no one knew how to re-wire the electric in my house >without calling in an electrician. It's worse than that. People don't seem to know how to hammer a nail and wait for "The Government" to do the work. > >> One passenger boat sinking in (I think) the Red Sea caused a riot >> and shut down a port. >> >> I am assuming that all welfare, upper-middle class neighborhoods will >> be in the same situation. Noone knows how to fix stuff nor cope >> with stuff that breaks. > >Or so you assume. I've been watching. It is no longer an assumption. /BAH |