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From: MassiveProng on 5 Feb 2007 19:46 On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:52:25 +0000 (UTC), kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) Gave us: >In article <5957f$45c717a0$4fe75e8$6780(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, >unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >>Ken Smith wrote: >[....] >>> When new stuff gets put in, these days, it gets plugged in. Even stuff >>> that you normally think of as permanent will have a way to plug and unplug >>> it. This reduces the skill level needed to do a safe installation. >>> >>> BTW: In California, nothing is permanently installed. It may tumble out >>> the door any minute. >> >>We're consumer oriented here in the US rather than union >>oriented, for the most part. > >The US is also very safety oriented. In China, I asked for an extension >cord. The took a length of zip cord, stripped the ends, folded them over >and pushed them into the wall outlet. > >It solved the problem of getting power to the bench but it didn't solve >the problem that the voltage varied all over the place. > Ahh... loose connections do that. Hmmm Sounds JUST LIKE what happens when someone say... plugs a stove into an outlet that has a loose connection in it! Not only does the voltage vary all over the place, but it exhibits HUGE amounts of EMI/RFI noise. Plenty enough to flood out an AM radio broadcast. Whatayaknow!?
From: MassiveProng on 5 Feb 2007 19:47 On Mon, 05 Feb 07 14:53:41 GMT, jmfbahciv(a)aol.com Gave us: > >I wasn't talking about regular people. Bwuahahahahahahaaha.. Maybe you were talking about irregular people... Like bit gods or such.
From: Eeyore on 5 Feb 2007 21:16 T Wake wrote: > "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > > > >> What we are seeing is the struggle between modernization and > >> keeping things at the status quo. Those who do not want to change > >> are trying to destroy the cause of those who want to mondernize. > >> > >> Modernization means including Western civilization's progress. > >> > >> Until WWI and the final breakup of the Ottoman Empire, there was > >> no WEstern civilization influcence to tempt most Muslims. Even > >> those who were the first embassadors to Europe in the late > >> 1800s could not understand most of the European lifestyle. > >> There was no way they could send back explanations for certain > >> things like entertainment, science, art and medicine. > > > > I'm increasingly convinced that many Muslims, even those living in the > > west now here in fact, still don't fully understand our culture actually. > That may > > explain why they react so badly to bits of it. I suspect they may take bits > of it > > too 'literally'. See the business about the Dutch 'cartoons' for example. > > Danish :-) > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy > > > The other thing is that I think they're unused to thinking for themselves > > as much as we do. > > Blimey, does this include Muslims who were born in the UK? Some of them no doubt. It's clear that those born here are very diverse in their behaviour. > What about people from other religions who convert to Islam? I've found it curious to see that some Britsish Muslim converts have apparently become as radical as those born into the religion. Graham
From: Eeyore on 5 Feb 2007 21:20 unsettled wrote: > T Wake wrote: > > > > Christianity regards the Bible, a collection of canonical books in two > > parts, the Old Testament and the New Testament, as authoritative: written by > > human authors under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit and therefore the > > inerrant Word of God.[43] > > > > (Source 43 reads Catechism of the Catholic Church, Inspiration and Truth of > > Sacred Scripture (�105-108); Second Helvetic Confession, Of the Holy > > Scripture Being the True Word of God; Chicago Statement on Biblical > > Inerrancy) > > > > Despite this, Catholicism has evolved. > > As it is supposed to, along with the rest of Christianity. It's had 2000 yrs to do so. I don't recall any suggestion it was supposed to evolve btw. > If religion doesn't serve humankind, then what good is it? That's an entirely different matter. Graham
From: Eeyore on 5 Feb 2007 21:29
T Wake wrote: > "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > T Wake wrote: > >> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > >> > >> > I'm confident that the loss of many key industries is bad for the UK > >> > economy though. > >> > >> The value of the pound cuts both ways, thanks to BAH's heroine the UK is > >> dependant on imports for many, many things and as a result fluctuations > >> in the exchange rate have a massive impact. > >> > >> Prior to Thatcher, this was not as significant. > >> > >> I am not saying if this is a good or bad thing though. > > > > On a short term day-to-day basis I'm sure it's relatively benign. In the > > long term it's very different. > > > > Look at the difficulty in getting kids to study science now for example. > > I'm sure the kids are right to tend to avoid it since they've seen so many > > 'scientific' jobs disappear. > > Sadly true, but I suspect there is more to it than that. Most 18 year olds, > when given the choice between getting very drunk, sleeping around a lot and > doing some "media studies" *or* studying like a lunatic to grasp physics > will opt for the media studies. The big mistake is presenting the idea that higher education should be 'easy'. > We[tinw] in the UK should step back from trying to ensure all children get a > degree. I agree. A degree isn't required for most occupations and its value is being undermined by giving them away like sweeties. We seriously need good vocational education again. Whatever happened to apprenticeships btw ? Also by placing such an emphasis on purely academic education, the value of more manual skills is unreasonably being under valued. Just try and find a decent builder for example ! > > Also, as for Blair's idea that we can do 'R&D' instead of manufacturing, > > he's barking mad. > > Partly the definition of a politician if you ask me. That too of course. :~) > > Doesn't he know who it is who needs that R&D ? > > Possibly not, although in his defence it is unlikely the changes put in > place by Thatchers government could ever be undone now. Entirely undone ? No. It would be possible to reclaim some of the lost ground I believe though. That would require long-term strategic thinking however and I don't think traditional party politics can achieve that. Graham |