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From: Lloyd Parker on 13 Oct 2006 04:20 In article <egnmvg$8qk_001(a)s933.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >In article <egllcm$rec$7(a)blue.rahul.net>, > kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote: >>In article <egiifi$8qk_001(a)s909.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, >> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote: >>[... N. Korea ...] >>>His father was very adept at playing the Chinese against the >>>USSR to get what he wants. It appears his son, or whoever >>>is advising his son, is trying to achieve similar results. >>>But that dang USA doesn't play the game. >> >>They have been a client state of China for a lot of years now. They don't >>play that game now. Today's game is "give me the money or I'll shoot >>these puppies". China supports them mostly because they don't want the >>refugies. >> >>They want direct talks with the US mostly because they fear they will be >>invaded by the US. > >That is the party line. > >> They think that the US will more feel they have to >>support any agreement reached in face to face talks than in 6 party talks. >>They are projecting their attitudes onto the US. > >Possibly. It's more likely that the N. Koreans simply want >to play the same kind of political games and play the USA >off China and Russia. It worked with Clinton. Yep. No North Korea nuclear bombs, not even any plutonium. The US violated the agreement -- part 2, which committed us to normalizing relationships, including trade.
From: Frithiof Andreas Jensen on 13 Oct 2006 09:43 "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote in message news:UbqdnWRPz9kg4rPYRVnysQ(a)pipex.net... > > "Frithiof Andreas Jensen" <frithiof.jensen(a)die_spammer_die.ericsson.com> > wrote in message news:egkugj$o0d$1(a)news.al.sw.ericsson.se... > > > > "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote in message > > news:GuadncPArvmBtLDYRVnytA(a)pipex.net... > >> > >> "Frithiof Andreas Jensen" <frithiof.jensen(a)die_spammer_die.ericsson.com> > >> wrote in message news:egibv3$99g$1(a)news.al.sw.ericsson.se... > >> > > >> > "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote in message > >> > news:veKdnS9QEIjVIrbYRVnygA(a)pipex.net... > >> >> > >> >> We have non-Muslims advocating the death penalty. > >> > > >> > Yup, here mostly the white, skin-head alien types (who are too stupid > >> > to > >> > learn > >> > what happened to their predecessors as soon as their great master > >> > assumed > >> > power). Not a serious force, there is perhaps 600 of them. > >> > >> Sadly not just the overtly facist propose the death penalty. Otherwise > >> "right thinking" people often suggest it. Some otherwise "enlightened" > >> nations currently use it. > > > > The main problem *I* have with the death penalty is first that it is not > > possible to build a fail-safe system so one is bound to kill innocent > > people. > > I agree. The way I see it, there is never a legitimate reason to kill _one_ > innocent person and there certainly isn't a fault proof legal system > anywhere I've looked. > > > Second, it's yet another convenient "tool" for the next bunch of Nazi's to > > use > > to get rid of undesirables; like the *insane* telecom surveillance laws & > > systems being set up in Europe. Or euthanasia. > > > > > >> >> If they become many through something other than a legitimate > >> >> democratic > >> >> process, I can't see how it would work. Open, legitimate, democracies > >> >> are > >> >> a > >> >> very resilient form of government. > >> > > >> > The process is: > >> > > >> > Marry someone from $HOME, Import new extended family, Repeat with > >> > imports. > >> > > >> > Denmark is A.F.A.I.K. the Only country in Europe that has shut down > >> > that > >> > traffic > >> > by removing the right to family reunions inside Denmark - Sweden has > >> > not, > >> > so one > >> > additional step is needed: Move to Sweden, Marry, Import, Etc. > >> > >> At the end of the day, immigration will always exist while people in the > >> host country feel jobs are "beneath" them or too poorly paid to do. As > >> the > >> west becomes more developed, people are less willing to take menial or > >> low > >> paid jobs and more and more families need childminders and the like. > > > > 50% of the immigrants in Denmark are from "third-world" countries which > > have a > > notoriously high unemployment rate - we are spending perhaps 40% of the > > entire > > social security budget - this is including pensions - on the ~5-8% of the > > population that are from third-world countries! > > > > Those people do not take menial jobs, they understand the value of plain > > incompetence, a criminal record or strict adherance to religious practices > > in > > public to end up on some social security programme forever. (If I lived in > > some > > Turkish village within farting distance from the arsehole of the world, I > > would > > do the same). > > I dont know enough about Danish state support to really comment on this. > Sorry. > > In Denmark, who carries out the menial tasks? In the UK almost all the > poorly paid jobs are from third world immigrants. People on "wellfare" sent for 6 weeks "job trial" mostly. You get only the benefit pay and do not earn any holidays or unemployment insurance. Students. And working poor - many people still insist on working out of principle. > >> This employment void needs to be filled somehow. Without immigration, > >> most > >> of western Europe would struggle to fill the jobs like cleaners, maids > >> etc. > >> Without immigration the cost of basic goods would rise as the fruit > >> pickers > >> etc., needed to be paid reasonable wages. > > > > ... And this is somehow wrong? > > > > A major problem for the stability of the Danish "wellfare state" is that > > one can > > live equally "well" on social security as one can by taking a menial job. > > The > > failed immigration policies serves to perpetuate that anomaly by pushing > > up > > income tax (to pay for more social security) and at the same time take > > away the > > wage pressure from unskilled labour. > > Denmark is an unusual case. The cost of living there is so high it made my > eyes water last time I tried to buy a beer in Copenhagen. Yup - one all too soon flame out at "Mach 1" in Denmark (A drinks bill of DKK 1000,-- ~GBP 90). Even *Sweden* is so much cheaper; Germany, France & Spain is bearable while in Eastern Europe Mach 1 is probably lethal ;-). > > > The result is that the low-end wages never rises (a cleaner today earn the > > same > > wage as I did 20 years ago when working to pay for my education), one > > cannot > > support a family on a menial job and the number of people that are > > "unemployable" just keeps going up, because there is no hope for people at > > the > > low end ever getting a foot on the ladder. > > > > We can cut wellfare - problem is that we will then have ~900,000 destitute > > people figthing over maybe 50,000 jobs, crime rates going through the roof > > and > > higher taxes still because of all the jails we need to build. Deadlock. > > > > In my opinion the only way out is to completely block immigration from > > third-world countries to the EU until we have demonstrated with the people > > we > > have now that we can get the "integration" to work. That also means having > > low > > real unemployment rates - not the fake figures that politicians report to > > the > > OECD. > > I am not sure this would work. It may not be the case in Denmark, but in > most of the rest of Europe there is a need for migrant labour to do the jobs > no one else will do. > > As an example: A 100% immigration block for third world migrants in the UK > would slash the available work force to do jobs such as hospital cleaners > and the like. When you have more jobs than workers, pay has to rise. The NHS > budgets would suffer because they would have to pay the cleaners a decent > wage - or
From: T Wake on 13 Oct 2006 10:23 <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:8OAXg.6379$NE6.2150(a)newssvr11.news.prodigy.com... > > "JoeBloe" <joebloe(a)thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message > news:spkti2puac17cur7eluf8qh8k7lp54aqhk(a)4ax.com... >> On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:04:25 GMT, <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> Gave us: >> >>> Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence. >> >> >> Which you have never shown. > > Then again, I'm also not the one doing the Chicken Little impersonation. > > List one extraordinary claim I've made. > > Eric Lucas JoeBloe doesn't like to actually back up anything he says. He much prefers to either insult or try to create an illusion of "secret knowledge."
From: T Wake on 13 Oct 2006 10:24 "JoeBloe" <joebloe(a)thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message news:9nkti2149na93hacleicdomuvna82qau0a(a)4ax.com... > On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:11:39 +0100, Eeyore > <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> Gave us: > >> >> >>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >That's a pretty extravagant claim. >>> >>> Put in your pipe and stuff it. Perhaps you should learn who >>> I am. >> >>And how would that change things ? >> >>Why's it such a secret anyway ? >> > > You're an idiot. It's obvious. *I* do not even know her, but by her > post, I can guess what she did, and where she worked. You can guess what she wants you to think she has done and places she wants you to think she has worked. The fact you cant determine the veracity and more importantly, because you don't seem to care, speaks volumes about you.
From: T Wake on 13 Oct 2006 10:31
"JoeBloe" <joebloe(a)thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message news:ftkti2pmk6r7vt9pr4sbj4dfh8200bc1ei(a)4ax.com... > On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:22:18 +0100, "T Wake" > <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> Gave us: > >> >>I currently work in providing security advice to companies and in my >>experience, while there is some basis for the "paranoia" approach, most of >>the time it does not make sound business advice. > > > Do you even know what the term "COMSEC" means? Yes, although it is a term that the Americans use more than British people. Do you know what organisation provide this service to the British Government and its subdepartments? > If not, I have my doubts as to your efficacy in what you claim is > your occupation. I know lots about "COMSEC" in both of the usual meanings for the abbreviation (depending which agencies or companies you deal with). > Hahaha... come on, dipshit... knock our socks off! I doubt you wear any. COMSEC does not rely on "paranoia" so I have no idea why you think this is relevant unless you have just read a Tom Clancy novel and want to sound clever. |