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From: T Wake on 13 Oct 2006 10:33 "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:452F0845.BD4D0007(a)hotmail.com... > > > JoeBloe wrote: > >> On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:22:18 +0100, "T Wake" >> <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> Gave us: >> >> > >> >I currently work in providing security advice to companies and in my >> >experience, while there is some basis for the "paranoia" approach, most >> >of >> >the time it does not make sound business advice. >> >> Do you even know what the term "COMSEC" means? > > Why should he ? It is routinely used by Americans and some UK government departments. Most commercial organisations do not use the term properly but like to bandy it about when some middle manger has read a fiction novel. I am convinced Ricky Gervais has based his roles on people who work for the companies I visit. COMSEC requires no paranoia and, in fact, is normally based on a realistic assessment of the threat. If COMSEC gets out of hand companies do cease trading.
From: T Wake on 13 Oct 2006 10:38 "Frithiof Andreas Jensen" <frithiof.jensen(a)die_spammer_die.ericsson.com> wrote in message news:ego56c$o1t$1(a)news.al.sw.ericsson.se... > > "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote in message > news:UbqdnWRPz9kg4rPYRVnysQ(a)pipex.net... >> >> "Frithiof Andreas Jensen" <frithiof.jensen(a)die_spammer_die.ericsson.com> >> wrote in message news:egkugj$o0d$1(a)news.al.sw.ericsson.se... >> > >> > "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote in message >> > news:GuadncPArvmBtLDYRVnytA(a)pipex.net... >> >> >> >> "Frithiof Andreas Jensen" >> >> <frithiof.jensen(a)die_spammer_die.ericsson.com> >> >> wrote in message news:egibv3$99g$1(a)news.al.sw.ericsson.se... >> >> > >> >> > "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote in message >> >> > news:veKdnS9QEIjVIrbYRVnygA(a)pipex.net... >> >> >> >> >> >> We have non-Muslims advocating the death penalty. >> >> > >> >> > Yup, here mostly the white, skin-head alien types (who are too >> >> > stupid >> >> > to >> >> > learn >> >> > what happened to their predecessors as soon as their great master >> >> > assumed >> >> > power). Not a serious force, there is perhaps 600 of them. >> >> >> >> Sadly not just the overtly facist propose the death penalty. Otherwise >> >> "right thinking" people often suggest it. Some otherwise "enlightened" >> >> nations currently use it. >> > >> > The main problem *I* have with the death penalty is first that it is >> > not >> > possible to build a fail-safe system so one is bound to kill innocent >> > people. >> >> I agree. The way I see it, there is never a legitimate reason to kill >> _one_ >> innocent person and there certainly isn't a fault proof legal system >> anywhere I've looked. >> >> > Second, it's yet another convenient "tool" for the next bunch of Nazi's >> > to >> > use >> > to get rid of undesirables; like the *insane* telecom surveillance laws >> > & >> > systems being set up in Europe. Or euthanasia. >> > >> > >> >> >> If they become many through something other than a legitimate >> >> >> democratic >> >> >> process, I can't see how it would work. Open, legitimate, >> >> >> democracies >> >> >> are >> >> >> a >> >> >> very resilient form of government. >> >> > >> >> > The process is: >> >> > >> >> > Marry someone from $HOME, Import new extended family, Repeat with >> >> > imports. >> >> > >> >> > Denmark is A.F.A.I.K. the Only country in Europe that has shut down >> >> > that >> >> > traffic >> >> > by removing the right to family reunions inside Denmark - Sweden has >> >> > not, >> >> > so one >> >> > additional step is needed: Move to Sweden, Marry, Import, Etc. >> >> >> >> At the end of the day, immigration will always exist while people in >> >> the >> >> host country feel jobs are "beneath" them or too poorly paid to do. As >> >> the >> >> west becomes more developed, people are less willing to take menial or >> >> low >> >> paid jobs and more and more families need childminders and the like. >> > >> > 50% of the immigrants in Denmark are from "third-world" countries which >> > have a >> > notoriously high unemployment rate - we are spending perhaps 40% of the >> > entire >> > social security budget - this is including pensions - on the ~5-8% of >> > the >> > population that are from third-world countries! >> > >> > Those people do not take menial jobs, they understand the value of >> > plain >> > incompetence, a criminal record or strict adherance to religious >> > practices >> > in >> > public to end up on some social security programme forever. (If I lived >> > in >> > some >> > Turkish village within farting distance from the arsehole of the world, >> > I >> > would >> > do the same). >> >> I dont know enough about Danish state support to really comment on this. >> Sorry. >> >> In Denmark, who carries out the menial tasks? In the UK almost all the >> poorly paid jobs are from third world immigrants. > > People on "wellfare" sent for 6 weeks "job trial" mostly. You get only the > benefit pay and do not earn any holidays or unemployment insurance. > Students. > And working poor - many people still insist on working out of principle. > > >> >> This employment void needs to be filled somehow. Without immigration, >> >> most >> >> of western Europe would struggle to fill the jobs like cleaners, maids >> >> etc. >> >> Without immigration the cost of basic goods would rise as the fruit >> >> pickers >> >> etc., needed to be paid reasonable wages. >> > >> > ... And this is somehow wrong? >> > >> > A major problem for the stability of the Danish "wellfare state" is >> > that >> > one can >> > live equally "well" on social security as one can by taking a menial >> > job. >> > The >> > failed immigration policies serves to perpetuate that anomaly by >> > pushing >> > up >> > income tax (to pay for more social security) and at the same time take >> > away the >> > wage pressure from unskilled labour. >> >> Denmark is an unusual case. The cost of living there is so high it made >> my >> eyes water last time I tried to buy a beer in Copenhagen. > > Yup - one all too soon flame out at "Mach 1" in Denmark (A drinks bill of > DKK > 1000,-- ~GBP 90). > Even *Sweden* is so much cheaper; Germany, France & Spain is bearable > while in > Eastern Europe Mach 1 is probably lethal ;-). > >> >> > The result is that the low-end wages never rises (a cleaner today earn >> > the >> > same >> > wage as I did 20 years ago when working to pay for my education), one >> > cannot >> > support a family on a menial job and the number of people that are >> > "unemployable" just keeps going up, because there is no hope for people >> > at >> > the >> > low end ever getting a foot on the ladder. >> > >> > We can cut wellfare - problem is that we will then have ~900,000 >> > destitute >> > people figthing over maybe 50,000 jobs, crime rates going through the >> > roof >> > and >> > higher taxes still because of all the jails we need to build. Deadlock. >> > >> > In my opinion the only way out is to completely block immigration from >> > third-world countries to the EU until we have demonstrated with the >> > people >> > we >> > have now that we can get the "integration" to work. That also means >> > having >> > low >> > real unemployment rates - not the fake figures that politicians report >> > to >> > the >> > OECD. >> >> I am not sure this wou
From: T Wake on 13 Oct 2006 11:15 "JoeBloe" <joebloe(a)thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message news:t7lti21ud0r24i1vkojq9jvd0tt2abmqt4(a)4ax.com... > On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:52:33 +0100, "T Wake" > <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> Gave us: > >>Really? Are you sure about that? I suspect, strongly, that you are wrong. >> > > More proof that you spend your life guessing as you go. Nope. I know for a fact that Iraqi schools had books and pencils as recently as 1991. I have it on good authority they had them in the intervening period. You, on the other hand, are just making things up.
From: Ken Smith on 13 Oct 2006 11:22 In article <23nti2dp68ad2cqa6vd3ou5aoole36e2n9(a)4ax.com>, JoeBloe <joebloe(a)nosuchplace.org> wrote: >On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:25:01 +0000 (UTC), kensmith(a)green.rahul.net >(Ken Smith) Gave us: > >> The 6 party talks produced something. The US >>violated it on Sept 23. > > > How so? CITE? http://www.state.gov/p/eap/rls/rm/2005/54430.htm http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_editorial/161703.html The US agreed to work towards normal relations. One does not do this by working to cut off their use of the world bank for exchange. -- -- kensmith(a)rahul.net forging knowledge
From: T Wake on 13 Oct 2006 11:30
"JoeBloe" <joebloe(a)thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message news:f9lti2hovlmbvh6tpsbg55oi45obh9s11h(a)4ax.com... > On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:01:45 GMT, <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> Gave us: > >>So therefore we should kill more of his countrymen than he ever killed. > > > We have done no such thing. Those we fight "the insurgents" are > largely NOT Iraqi. How many are Iraqi? |