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From: T Wake on 15 Oct 2006 18:59 "John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote in message news:bnd5j29k8v1onkl299t2a9q6jegh87ilf3(a)4ax.com... > On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 14:22:34 +0100, Eeyore > <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >>> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>> ><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote >>> >>> >> Why do you think that the first goal of the US is to be liked by >>> >> everyone? >>> > >>> >That's a strawman. Our goal should be not to be hated by everyone. >>> >>> That is wrong. Our goal should be to know what is in the >>> best interest of the nation and its people. Reacting to >>> threats to national security with growls instead of swift >>> and lethal bites is a sign of weakness; this becomes an open >>> invitation to anybody who would like to take over the real >>> estate. >> >>You reckon that 'radical Islam' wants to invade the USA ? > > --- > No. They want us to fall apart because of fear and the inability to > deal with terrorism, then we'd be easy pickings. Looks like they are on the way to getting their wishes then.
From: T Wake on 15 Oct 2006 19:03 "John Larkin" <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message news:8vd5j29uvt4ttda044m37psl42nam0di0c(a)4ax.com... > On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:58:38 +0100, Eeyore > <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >>John Fields wrote: >> >>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: >>> >> "John Larkin" <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote >>> >> >>> >> > It's hard to give up the cop >>> >> > business after doing it for so long. >>> >> >>> >> Yep, therein lies the whole problem, along with the extremely fine >>> >> distinction between legitimately policing world security and >>> >> bullying. >>> > >>> >Part of the problem I suspect is that the USA is now addicted to >>> >pushing >>> >foreigners around. >>> >>> --- >>> Actually, it's the other way around. >> >>Funny. JL agreed ! > > But I did express the opinion that the "cop" role was taken on > involuntarily, to save civilization as we (and you) defined it, and > that we'd give it up if any responsible world organization would make > it unnecessary. You cant say that for sure unless you speak on behalf of all future governments. The problem with an unanswerable "cop" is if your Government decides to do something _not_ in the interests of Justice and Fair Play there is nothing anyone else can do about it. It's normally not called policing when that happens. >>Whilst I condemn any such action one can't help wonder why your forces are >>all over the world. > > Originally, to defend Europe, Japan, Korea, Taiwan. I think it's time > to pull out of the European bases and let them pay for their own > defense, now that they don't need much of it. I agree. I cant see the US military being too happy at it. Forward staging bases are pretty useful.
From: Jamie on 15 Oct 2006 22:32 Eeyore wrote: > > John Larkin wrote: > > >>It's the countries we saved, specifically France and Britain, that are >> the most rabid critics. > > > Nothing to do with the war. > > We simply have the experience of world affairs to see the faults that need > criticism. > > You might stop to think which 2 European countries had most to do with early N > America whilst your at it. > > Graham > and what part did the UK play in this? was it something to do with a Boston Tea party? and the red coats landing on our shores? -- "I am never wrong, once i thought i was, but i was mistaken" Real Programmers Do things like this. http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5
From: T Wake on 15 Oct 2006 19:07 "John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote in message news:ged5j2h9n9pajnnp1hqgklgbceri0lucev(a)4ax.com... > On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 14:19:39 +0100, Eeyore > <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >>T Wake wrote: >> >>> "John Larkin" <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote >>> >>> > It's hard to give up the cop >>> > business after doing it for so long. >>> >>> Police are accountable to the people they police, right or wrong. The US >>> is >>> accountable to no one. It is not a global police force. >> >>Not even accountable to the International Court in fact. I wonder why that >>is ? >>Something to do with being held to account maybe ? > > --- > Nope, it's because we're so thoroughly disliked that if any of us > were ever brought into an international court, for any reason, it > would be impossible for us to get a fair trial. Very true and it is a shame that is the way the world views the US. It is also a shame the US appears to react to this world opinion by saying it is everyone else's fault for not getting them [the US] or similar instead of thinking about why people have the low opinion of the US, in spite of all the good they do. (IMHO) When people are children they exhibit this attitude, one of the marks of being an adult is realising when it is time to accept what others think of you is, at times, important.
From: Jamie on 15 Oct 2006 22:34
Eeyore wrote: > > John Fields wrote: > > >>Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>>John Larkin wrote: >>> >>>>Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>When does Bush get impeached ? >>>> >>>>Not worth the bother. His term expires in 2008. >>>> >>>> >>>>>When does the Republican Party get impeached ? >>>> >>>>Sorry, there's no provision for impeaching a party. >>>> >>>>But the real question is, why are you so obsessive about US politics? >>>>We ignore your politics, so it's only fair that you ignore ours. >>> >>>Given the effect the USA has on the world it'd be crazy not to be >>>concerned about it. >> >>--- >>But there's nothing you can do about it, so you may as well give up >>the concern. It's all about what you can change, what you can't, >>knowing the difference between the two, and leading your life >>accordingly. > > > I would be deeply disturbed if I felt there was no way to influence it. > > Graham > disturbed?, would be or already ? -- "I am never wrong, once i thought i was, but i was mistaken" Real Programmers Do things like this. http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5 |