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From: Eeyore on 17 Oct 2006 20:23 T Wake wrote: > "John Larkin" <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote > > Jonathan Kirwan <jkirwan(a)easystreet.com> wrote: > >>John Larkin <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > > >>>How does hurling rocks get "their voices heard"? > >> > >>Wrong question, John. There were a lot of people there who did NOT > >>throw rocks. Only _some_ threw rocks. > >> > >>And a separate question, entirely, John. Do you imagine that only > >>those throwing the rocks are the ones who were injured or killed by > >>professional military action? > > > > The Guardsmen were mostly kids, about the same age as the college > > kids, but working-class, hardly "professional" military. They didn't > > like being there, but they were under orders, there to prevent > > violence. And the college kids assigned them the role of "authority" > > and stoned them. Of course the shooting was unjustified, but the > > college kids were incredibly clueless. > > You are quite correct in that blaming the soldiers directly for their > actions is wrong. The blame rests squarely with the person who wants to use > guns and soldiers against their own people. You could blame the US gun culture too. Graham
From: unsettled on 17 Oct 2006 20:55 jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > In article <e97b6$4534dd17$4fe728b$30183(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, > unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: > >>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >> >> >>>I can state my hidden agenda; preserve the world's accumulated >>>knowledge. Religious extremists have the goal of destroying >>>most of that knowledge. Islamic extremists have the goal of >>>destroying it all because it's a product of Western civilization. >> >>Religious extremism is always the result of one of the following: >> >>A) Insanity >> >>B) Desire for power, control, and wealth >> > > > None of the above. Fear. Pure, simple terror. You'll eventually rethink this.
From: Michael A. Terrell on 17 Oct 2006 21:27 Jonathan Kirwan wrote: > > On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:10:40 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell" > <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > > ><snip> > > I worked as a broadcast engineer at a Christian TV station in > >1987/1988. We had a full 5 MW EIRP signal on a 1749 foot tower. Our > >annual budget was 1.5 million dollars, vs 17 million dollars (and up) > >for the local commercial stations. Even on that meager budget, 10% of > >their income went to help others, via the "Prayer and Share" > >department. The last that I've heard, they were trying to build a high > >rise office building, keeping part of the space for their studios and > >offices. The plans are to rent out the extra space to reduce the money > >needed to run the station. They are in the Orlando area, and should have > >no trouble leasing every square inch, when its done. > ><snip> > > Excellent information. Thanks. I don't know if you read the link, I > admit it is long and tedious, but down in the middle of it is some > good collected info on the overarching figures going into capital > assets v. operational expenses and 'good works'. None of that takes > away from what you write above, nor does your story take away from it. > > Mike, I need to add something here. I have a profoundly autistic > daughter and she still lives with me, at age 23. She also has grand > mal seizures and these have broken out six teeth in one event and > broken her forearm, right through both the radius and ulna in another > event. All within the last four years, or so. I'm sorry to hear about your daughter, but at least you are able to care for her. I know that its not easy to take care of someone, and work full time. At times I have had to provide care for my parents. My mother, while she was dying of cancer, and several times for my dad after major surgery where he couldn't even go to the bathroom without help. > We are very actively involved locally and have been most of this time. > I am fortunate enough that my work allows me some range, here. I see, > personally because I attend them, various religious events where we > parents and their adult children or young children get together for > extended times (from Friday afternoon until the following Sunday > afternoon, a few times a year.) I have never been on a retreat, but I've heard good things about them. > The last case, a Catholic retreat, really worked out for our daughter > and us. It was a definite success. But there were many clinically > depressed parents I talked with, too. All died-in-the-wool Catholics > and active in their churches. Afterwards, over that Sunday night and > the following day, I thought about those experiences and the need and > the people I met and their children. And I cried. > > I called up the person at the diocese here that works so very hard and > puts these on. She was a Catholic nun for a time and I deeply respect > her, from years of talking with her. She didn't deserve it; she's > done so much personally; but I laid into her, angrily. I used the > Catholic scriptural descriptions, citing from the sermon on the mount > like a priest might, with energy and verve, telling her that there is > NO EXCUSE -- none at all -- for people like this. If anything, their > faith (and I was raised Catholic, salt and pepper pants and white > shirt to school, etc., but it is no longer mine) talks about those who > are the least among them; to not to be like the hypocrites who make > public their charities; that what they do for their own is no > different than the gentiles, so it should be done for all and not just > Catholics; etc., etc. She and I spoke for hours. I was so angry and > where these parents and their children were, yet they were part of > those who seem like just hypocrites in their faith to me. Hypocrites are among the lowest of the low on this world. > I will be continuing these discussions with others further up the > chain of administration in the Catholic Church as well as other > churches, too. This doesn't end, to be true. But when I see billions > of dollars flowing into capital investments, so little for operation > by comparison, and those at the very bottom, the least able to care > for themselves, having so little and being literally unable to leave > their own homes, it wears on me. Because I know the situation deeply. > It is burnished into my soul with long, personal experience, too. > These are my family I see out there, people I know bonded by common > experience that few understand well, alone pretty much and without > help from those who pretend their religion and little else besides. > > The sermon is clear. It's message is clear. Matthew puts it, "By > their fruits ye shall know them." Yet where are these fruits, those > one would expect from a healthy faith and an adherence to the sermon? Don't forget that there are those who only claim to be Christian, but are only there to see what they can take. You have to keep your eyes open, as well as your heart. The church I attended in ohio needed a central air conditioning system. It never had one that was able to cool the whole building properly. They saved till they could afford the equipment, then the pastor and a couple members (all in their 60's or older) installed everything, saving about 70% of the costs. they never bought anything on credit, and used things till they weren't worth fixing, yet they had a nice, clean building they could take pride in. > Sorry to vent, Mike. But I see the churches going up all over the > place here. I see the huge investments. I read the reports. I see > how much goes into providing for the "least among you" and how much > goes into resources for the able and capable. There are a few "Mega Churches" (AKA The Wal-Marts of religion) in Central Florida, but over all its not like that here. A few churches have large buildings, but they have enough members they fill almost every seat. Some run thrift stores to raise money that goes to help people. Several are involved in the local Homeless Council that tries to help people who want to, to get back into mainstream society. They provide food, medicine and other services to help them get their act back together. But, as you well know, some people don't want to be helped. There were over 2000 homeless Veterans living in t
From: MooseFET on 17 Oct 2006 21:48 mmeron(a)cars3.uchicago.edu wrote: > In article <1161093618.810074.46780(a)m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>, "MooseFET" <kensmith(a)rahul.net> writes: > > > >mmeron(a)cars3.uchicago.edu wrote: > >> In article <1161055552.800809.247610(a)m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>, "MooseFET" <kensmith(a)rahul.net> writes: [....] > > >Also if you call it a war, you make the folks on the other side into > >"soldiers". This is an honerable status I am not sure we want to grant > >them. They are criminals like the Mafia and nothing more. It will be > >easier to get other countries to help get rid of them if you assert > >that they are crooks that snuck into the place instead of soldiers for > >a cause. > > It is the status they grant themselves that matters far more than the > status we grant them. I disagree. At least up until the last several years, the word of the US would have counted for a great deal on this subject. What they call themselves doesn't matter at all. It is what others consider them that matters. If they are considered criminals they will be arrested if they are considered freedom fighters they will get aid. > And viewing it as pure crime is > counterproductive as in the case of crime there is little you can do > *until* an even happened, and even then you're pretty much limited to > going after the specific peole involved with the event. That's fine > for dealing with a lose collection of individuals, not with a vast > organization. In the US there is a law called the RICO statute. I assume that most other countries have a law like this too. It makes it a crime to be a member of an on going criminal enterprise. Also most countries have conspiracy laws that don't require the police to wait for the crime to be commited. There are lots of legal tools that can be used without calling it "a war". For that matter calling it "a war" doesn't really add any new tools. [....] > >Obesity has won. They have taken over. They sell you hambergers and > >then little pills to prevent the hambergers from having their natural > >effect. > > > Sure. then we'll get the little pills to counteract the effects of > the first little pills, etc. .... and then a operation to repair the damage the second ones caused.
From: lucasea on 17 Oct 2006 22:21
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote in message news:Qrqdndr70MFGuajYRVnysA(a)pipex.net... > > <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > news:TAYYg.14731$vJ2.12451(a)newssvr12.news.prodigy.com... > >> Again, nice try--you're just more moralistic than the rest of us. > > Not from the point of view of my moral code. There's a difference between "moral" and "moralistic". Eric Lucas |