From: Gordon on
On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 21:10:22 GMT, "Homer J Simpson"
<nobody(a)nowhere.com> wrote:


>>>Same purpose as the Republicans starting wars then blaming everything on
>>>the war.
>
>"Gordon" <gordonlr(a)DELETEswbell.net> wrote in message
>news:r980i2h3pr3evtr03c34k0lmghqgd5a4re(a)4ax.com...
>
>> The Holy Bible, King James Version
>>
>> Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy
>> neighbour.
>>
>> Deuteronomy 5:20 Neither shalt thou bear false witness against
>> thy neighbour.
>
>...
>
>So you are saying they are NOT better Xtians than everyone else?
>
No, I'm saying that this war on terrorism started long before
President Bush and the present Republican administration was
involved in any way.

How long should we have "turned the other cheek?"

1979 Nov. 4, Tehran, Iran: Iranian radical students seized the
U.S. embassy, taking 66 hostages. Fourteen were later released.
The remaining 52 were freed after 444 days, on the day of
President Reagan's inauguration.

1982-1991 Lebanon: Thirty US and other Western hostages kidnapped
in Lebanon by Hezbollah. Some were killed, some died in
captivity, and some were eventually released. Terry Anderson was
held for 2,454 days.

1983 April 18, Beirut, Lebanon: U.S. embassy destroyed in suicide
car-bomb attack; 63 dead, including 17 Americans. The Islamic
Jihad claimed responsibility.

1983 Oct. 23, Beirut, Lebanon: Shiite suicide bombers exploded
truck near U.S. military barracks at Beirut airport, killing 241
Marines. Minutes later a second bomb killed 58 French
paratroopers in their barracks in West Beirut.

1983 Dec. 12, Kuwait City, Kuwait Shiite truck bombers attacked
the U.S. embassy and other targets, killing 5 and injuring 80.

1984 Sept. 20, east Beirut, Lebanon: truck bomb exploded outside
the U.S. embassy annex, killing 24, including 2 U.S. military.

1984 Dec. 3, Beirut, Lebanon: Kuwait Airways Flight 221, from
Kuwait to Pakistan, hijacked and diverted to Tehran. Two
Americans killed.

1985 April 12, Madrid, Spain: Bombing at restaurant frequented by
U.S. soldiers, killed 18 Spaniards and injured 82.
June 14, Beirut, Lebanon: TWA flight 847 en route from Athens to
Rome hijacked to Beirut by Hezbollah terrorists and held for 17
days. A U.S. Navy diver executed.

1985 Oct. 7, Mediterranean Sea: gunmen attack Italian cruise
ship, Achille Lauro. One U.S. tourist killed. Hijacking linked to
Libya.

1985 Dec. 18, Rome, Italy, and Vienna, Austria: airports in Rome
and Vienna were bombed, killing 20 people, 5 of whom were
Americans. Bombing linked to Libya.

1986 April 2, Athens, Greece:A bomb exploded aboard TWA flight
840 en route from Rome to Athens, killing 4 Americans and
injuring 9.

1986 April 5, West Berlin, Germany: Libyans bombed a disco
frequented by U.S. servicemen, killing 2 and injuring hundreds.

1988 Dec. 21, Lockerbie, Scotland: N.Y.-bound Pan-Am Boeing 747
exploded in flight from a terrorist bomb and crashed into
Scottish village, killing all 259 aboard and 11 on the ground.
Passengers included 35 Syracuse University students and many U.S.
military personnel. Libya formally admitted responsibility 15
years later (Aug. 2003) and offered $2.7 billion compensation to
victims' families.

1993 Feb. 26, New York City: bomb exploded in basement garage of
World Trade Center, killing 6 and injuring at least 1,040 others.
In 1995, militant Islamist Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and 9 others
were convicted of conspiracy charges, and in 1998, Ramzi Yousef,
believed to have been the mastermind, was convicted of the
bombing. Al-Qaeda involvement is suspected.

1995 April 19, Oklahoma City: car bomb exploded outside federal
office building, collapsing wall and floors. 168 people were
killed, including 19 children and 1 person who died in rescue
effort. Over 220 buildings sustained damage. Timothy McVeigh and
Terry Nichols later convicted in the antigovernment plot to
avenge the Branch Davidian standoff in Waco, Tex., exactly two
years earlier. (See Miscellaneous Disasters.)
Nov. 13, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: car bomb exploded at U.S. military
headquarters, killing five U.S. military servicemen.

1996 June 25, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia: truck bomb exploded outside
Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen
and injuring hundreds of others. Thirteen Saudis and a Lebanese,
all alleged members of Islamic militant group Hezbollah, were
indicted on charges relating to the attack in June 2001.

1998 Aug. 7, Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania: truck
bombs exploded almost simultaneously near 2 U.S. embassies,
killing 224 (213 in Kenya and 11 in Tanzania) and injuring about
4,500. Four men connected with al-Qaeda two of whom had received
training at al-Qaeda camps inside Afghanistan, were convicted of
the killings in May 2001 and later sentenced to life in prison. A
federal grand jury had indicted 22 men in connection with the
attacks, including Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden, who remained
at large.

2000 Oct. 12, Aden, Yemen: U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole heavily
damaged when a small boat loaded with explosives blew up
alongside it. Seventeen sailors killed. Linked to Osama bin
Laden, or members of al-Qaeda terrorist network.

2001 Sept. 11, New York City, Arlington, Va., and Shanksville,
Pa.: hijackers crashed two commercial jets into twin towers of
World Trade Center; two more hijacked jets were crashed into the
Pentagon and a field in rural Pa. Total dead and missing numbered
2,9921: 2,749 in New York City, 184 at the Pentagon, 40 in Pa.,
and 19 hijackers. Islamic al-Qaeda terrorist group blamed. (See
September 11, 2001: Timeline of Terrorism.)

2002 June 14, Karachi, Pakistan: bomb exploded outside American
consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12. Linked to al-Qaeda.

2003 May 12, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: suicide bombers killed 34,
including eight Americans, at housing compounds for Westerners.
Al-Qaeda suspected.

2004 May 29-31, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: terrorists attack the
offices of a Saudi oil company in Khobar, Saudi Arabia, take
foreign oil workers hostage in a nearby residential compound,
leaving 22 people dead including one American.
June 11-19, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: terrorists kidnap and execute
Paul Johnson Jr., an American, in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
Dec. 6, Jiddah, Saudi Arabia: terrorists storm the U.S. consulate
killing 5 before being subdued by Saudi securi
From: Homer J Simpson on

"Gordon" <gordonlr(a)DELETEswbell.net> wrote in message
news:00c0i29vn31ejl71pku1d0r1nfaevj6p4i(a)4ax.com...

>>So you are saying they are NOT better Xtians than everyone else?
>>
> No, I'm saying that this war on terrorism started long before
> President Bush and the present Republican administration was
> involved in any way.

But it isn't a war. It is a problem for a police force that requires
international cooperation, something the US is notoriously unable or
unwilling to be involved in.



From: mmeron on
In article <K4XTg.7154$N4.5515(a)clgrps12>, "Homer J Simpson" <nobody(a)nowhere.com> writes:
>
>"Gordon" <gordonlr(a)DELETEswbell.net> wrote in message
>news:00c0i29vn31ejl71pku1d0r1nfaevj6p4i(a)4ax.com...
>
>>>So you are saying they are NOT better Xtians than everyone else?
>>>
>> No, I'm saying that this war on terrorism started long before
>> President Bush and the present Republican administration was
>> involved in any way.
>
>But it isn't a war.

It is a war. Refusing to recognize it as such will not make it go
away.

Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron(a)cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
From: T Wake on

<mmeron(a)cars3.uchicago.edu> wrote in message
news:foXTg.1$45.124(a)news.uchicago.edu...
> In article <K4XTg.7154$N4.5515(a)clgrps12>, "Homer J Simpson"
> <nobody(a)nowhere.com> writes:
>>
>>"Gordon" <gordonlr(a)DELETEswbell.net> wrote in message
>>news:00c0i29vn31ejl71pku1d0r1nfaevj6p4i(a)4ax.com...
>>
>>>>So you are saying they are NOT better Xtians than everyone else?
>>>>
>>> No, I'm saying that this war on terrorism started long before
>>> President Bush and the present Republican administration was
>>> involved in any way.
>>
>>But it isn't a war.
>
> It is a war.

Really? So all the "Rules of War" apply then?

> Refusing to recognize it as such will not make it go
> away.

Calling it a war legitimizes the terrorists and stops people thinking of
them as criminals who should be punished. For thirty years the British were
terrorized by Irish Republicans, it was never called a "war."

The western world bandies the term "war" around much too easily. (War on
Terror, War on Drugs, War on Obesity etc.)



From: Homer J Simpson on

"T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote in message
news:c7WdncygLPPv3r3YRVnytQ(a)pipex.net...

> Calling it a war legitimizes the terrorists and stops people thinking of
> them as criminals who should be punished. For thirty years the British
> were terrorized by Irish Republicans, it was never called a "war."
>
> The western world bandies the term "war" around much too easily. (War on
> Terror, War on Drugs, War on Obesity etc.)

It's the Yanks that do that. They like the sound of it. They COULD have a
"War on Stupidity" but Bush (and Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice) would be SO the
wrong persons to lead THAT.



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