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From: Homer J Simpson on 1 Oct 2006 20:17 "John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote in message news:j0j0i21qmups653btr7mdtr7q44pu7b1ug(a)4ax.com... > I see. You think that we've isolated ourselves and that we're > pursuing a strictly military solution to the problem. > > You are insane. I seem to recall references to "Shock and Awe". Doesn't sound like the cops to me - unless it's the nutjob US cops who shoot everything in sight.
From: Homer J Simpson on 1 Oct 2006 20:17 "Gordon" <gordonlr(a)DELETEswbell.net> wrote in message news:vfj0i2ltkdg2atqfq93hr5usnqsd20b9q6(a)4ax.com... > The thing that I do not understand at all is what the Muslim > terrorists' goal was/is. They surely didn't think we would > knuckle under and surrender to them without a fight. So, it seems > they really did want us to engage them in an all-out war > situation. Why? It took them 22 years to get a full scale war > going with us, full bore, but what is their ultimate goal? It is because Islam is collapsing in the face of the triumph of the West. The real roots of all of this started with the Industrial Revolution - which left Arabia behind. They made little effort to acquire technology and none to create it and now are facing the contradictions between their beliefs and reality. Reality has a nasty habit of trumping belief. Everything the terrorists use and do involves using western technology. Nothing involves home grown technology. They almost have to become us to attack us, and they attack our technology with our technology. Unfortunately the US is following in their footsteps - we see the rise of so called evangelicals, suspicion of science, the export of technology to Japan and now China; and the triumph of ignorant platitudes "No Child Left Behind" over genuine and measurable progress. I comfort myself with the thought that those who seem to know of what they speak say that after the nuclear response to the final outrage the oil in Arabia will be perfectly fine and will run my car as always - and we will need no wars to pump it. "... The monkeys called the place their city, and pretended to despise the Jungle People because they lived in the forest. And yet they never knew what the buildings were made for nor how to use them. They would sit in circles on the hall of the king's council-chamber, and scratch for fleas and pretend to be men; or they would run in and out of the roofless houses and collect pieces of plaster and old bricks in a corner, and forget where they had hidden them, and fight and cry in scuffling crowds, [...]" -- The Jungle Book, Rudyard Kipling
From: Eeyore on 1 Oct 2006 20:17 Gordon wrote: > On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 22:14:02 GMT, "Homer J Simpson" wrote: > >"Gordon" <gordonlr(a)DELETEswbell.net> wrote > > > >> No, I'm saying that this war on terrorism started long before > >> President Bush and the present Republican administration was > >> involved in any way. > > > >But it isn't a war. It is a problem for a police force that requires > >international cooperation, something the US is notoriously unable or > >unwilling to be involved in. > > Homer, I don't agree with you, but you are certainly entitled to > your opinion. A police force of international cooperation just > doesn't seem available. The main reason this won't work is that > Europe needs Mid-East petroleum and the Mid-East needs European > manufactured goods. For the most part, Europe just isn't going to > get involved to the extent that would jeopardize their petroleum > supply. Europe's not interested in getting much more involved largely because Europe wasn't the target of the 9/11 terrorists. Most of Europe is frankly sick of the USA to the proverbial back teeth. > The terrorists would have taken those Mid-East petroleum > sources out before now had this not been the case. They don't yet have the ability to do that. The longer that the USA continues demonising Islam the sooner they *will* have that ability though. > The thing that I do not understand at all is what the Muslim > terrorists' goal was/is. They surely didn't think we would > knuckle under and surrender to them without a fight. So, it seems > they really did want us to engage them in an all-out war > situation. Why? It took them 22 years to get a full scale war > going with us, full bore, but what is their ultimate goal? It's not a full-scale war. It's still capable of tying up the US and UK military very effectively though. Graham
From: Eeyore on 1 Oct 2006 20:19 mmeron(a)cars3.uchicago.edu wrote: > The Islamic terrorists aim at destruction of the western society Where did you get that idea ? Graham
From: Homer J Simpson on 1 Oct 2006 20:29
"John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote in message news:20l0i2pjb21a1uil7hfgkeqnt8m60cl52a(a)4ax.com... >>It's the Yanks that do that. They like the sound of it. They COULD have a >>"War on Stupidity" but Bush (and Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice) would be SO >>the >>wrong persons to lead THAT. > Awww... You're just trying to discredit them because you're afraid > that the first target would be you. True. In the land of the blind, the one eyed man must be killed first. |