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From: Eeyore on 5 Nov 2006 11:47 unsettled wrote: > jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > > > Then you haven't read what I wrote. I think it sucks. There is > > no longer any delivery of services when needed. The biz has > > changed to specialized cut&paste with administrators assigning > > each page of text piecemeal. The medical practioners have become > > unionized and don't know it by handing all their business controls > > over to the government-approved bodies. > > I am guessing your experience is with HMO medical care. In > that case I agree. My experience is with regular non-HMO > insurance, and my experience has been favorable. > > I had a neighbor whose appointments with HMO specialists was > always 3 months in the future. His problem was the recurrence > of a fast growing cancer. Predictably, it got him. HMO was > the system he purchased, when he had other choices. He was a > nice guy, and I hate what happened to him, but he had > convinced himself he was getting the best medical care > available, and there was no talking him out of it. > > As best I can tell, HMO's are a parallel to Natinal Health > Care as it is practiced in the UK and Canada. I'd be shocked if you had to wait 3 months to see a specialist in the UK for cancer ! Graham
From: T Wake on 5 Nov 2006 11:48 <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:eikq31$8qk_007(a)s1014.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <pqmdnRwNx-agVtHYnZ2dnUVZ8qadnZ2d(a)pipex.net>, > "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >> >><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>news:eii0o0$8ps_005(a)s792.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>> In article <I7I2h.500$Mw.369(a)newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>, >>> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>> >>>><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>>news:eifeh1$8qk_004(a)s820.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>>>> >>>>> What counts with measuring the effectiveness of any social program >>>>> is the individual stories, not the cut and dried percentages >>>>> of service delivery counts. >>>> >>>>And yet you prefer to believe impersonal books when learning about what >>>>Islam is all about, instead of talking to actual Muslims. >>> >>> What do you suggest? I'm reading about their history. >> >>Try doing both. I get the feeling you distance yourself from society >>somewhat, which may explain the perspective you bring to the discussion. >> >>Try talking to, and spending time with, Moslems. They are not very >>different >>from Christians. > > gODDAMMIT FUCKHEAd. Please, feel free to re-read your post where you state you are reading about their history. Then take the caps lock off (or if you must use it, try not to press the shift key) > I have done the talking and the visiting. I doubt that. Based on your assertions about the UK it is painfully apparent that any contact you have had with British society has been brief, selective and was half a century ago. I can only assume the same regarding your contact with Islamic countries. > The only thing I have not done is live in a country. Not even the US? Wow. >>> Am I >>> supposed to wait until I can talk to those who are long dead >>> before I learn about the history of that area? Islam >>> did not keep history records other than who studied under whom. >> >>Really? > > Yes. Why don't you learn about the history. I know a lot about history. What can I teach you? > Think about it. This is your short hand for "Your opinion differes from mine. My opinion can not be wrong, therfore yours must be. I am the only person who really understands (even when I dont understand), you must be wrong because you havent thought about it." What do you want me to think about? Some new, insane, made up idea of yours? > If keeping images is not allowed, there will never be captions > or reminders of who did what and when. Blimey. Which countries dont allow images to be kept? Try to think about what (for example) statues are. > The only reason > we know about human history is what a culture left in its images. If you assume that text is an image. What can you tell me about the Urnfield culture? What images did they leave behind of their people? >>>> Your hypocrisy on >>>>this issue suggests that you don't intrinsically prefer one or the other >>>>(anecdotes or data), but rather in any given situation, you just pick >>>>and >>>>choose what you believe by how well it supports your assumptions and >>>>preconceived notions. Nice. >>> >>> It's an odd behaviour where the very people who suffer a mental >>> aberrration claim that their opposites have the problem. >> >>It isn't very odd. The hard part is working out who is projecting and who >>isn't. > > In this case, the task of figuring it out isn't difficult at all. I agree. > I'm trying to figure out why it is working so well at the moment. Because you have had lots of practice.
From: unsettled on 5 Nov 2006 11:49 Eeyore wrote: > > unsettled wrote: > > >>Eeyore wrote: >> >>>lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: >>> >>>>"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>> >>>> >>>>>Can you get US comprehensive ( no exclusions ) medical insurance for $2418 >>>>>regardless of age or medical history ? >>>> >>>>Of course not. However, since his/her employer pays his/hers, all he knows >>>>is it's free and if we were to nationalize, it would cost him/her a paltry >>>>extra 4 % of his/her income. Such simple-minded thinking, along with the >>>>attitude "I've got mine, go find your own somewhere else" is what keeps us >>> >>>>from adopting a realistic system of health care...that and the drug and >>> >>>>insurance lobbies, that plant such misanthropic thinking in peoples' heads >>>>and panders to their basest selfish emotions. >>> >>> >>>I just checked out Blue Cross HMO Select ( California ). I see the cost varies >>>according to where you live ! >>> >>>Visits to the Doctor still cost $25 and nothing seems to be 100% covered. >>> >>>Between $249 and $475 PCM for a single person of my age. Say $365 avg - that's >>>$4380 pa ( ?2305 ) - add in uncovered costs and that's easily twice the UK NHS >>>cost. >>> >>>No cover over 64 it seems ! What happens then ? >> >>Between age 64 and 65 the individual is forced into a program >>negotiated with each individual state. Those vary all over the >>place in cost. At 65 one qualifies for Medicare and can purchase >>supplementary coverage. > > > You mean when it becomes uneconomic for 'the market' to > supply affordable healthcare, the state finally steps in ? We're talking about 1 single year. I have no idea why this is done. I moved at age 64 to my retirement state and home and in the process cut my health insurance costs by better than half for that year. > Funny that ! Maybe you'd like to ponder the thinking behind it ? Makes no sense at all to me, that 1 yar gap. >>I have never signed up with an HMO. I refuse to be at the mercy >>of a single physician's ideas, especially when that physician >>is responsible for holding down costs and his personal income >>is tied to his success at cost containment. I have always been >>willing to pay for the right to seek medical advice anywhere. > I only looked at HMO pricing since I gather that's less expensive ( i don't even > know what it stands for in fact ). I believe it's very popular. You get what you pay for. HMO stands for Health Maintenance Organization. It was wrestled through Congress by Kennedy and pals a couple of decades back. I'm not impressed with the ideology which makes one's primary care physician responsible for holding costs down regardless of what the patient needs. When I was younger and more of an idealist I thought National Health Care and our sort of equivalent HMO were a really good idea. Now I'm more open minded and have discovered they're not such a good deal after all.
From: T Wake on 5 Nov 2006 11:52 "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:454DB658.6B5A097A(a)hotmail.com... > > > unsettled wrote: > >> lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: >> > <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >> >> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >> >>>And yet you prefer to believe impersonal books when learning about >> >>>what >> >>>Islam is all about, instead of talking to actual Muslims. >> >> >> >>What do you suggest? >> > >> > >> > How about talking to some actual Muslims before you make ridiculous >> > statements like "they grow up in a culture of violence". >> >> Start by asking them about female circumcision. > > That's a traditional African practice not Islamic. > > >> Then ask them >> about female rights to ownership of property, female education, >> divorce laws. > > That will depend on the laws of the country they live in. And has nothing to do with a "culture of violence." Compare and contrast it to the TV programmes which are the cultural fodder of western democracies. God forbid anyone think the US has a culture of violence. >> Ask what countries females can drive in. > > How about naming the ones where they can't. I can only think of Saudi. And, again, what has this got to do with a culture of violence? >> Ask them >> how many western women are trying to get custody of their children >> after a divorce. > > What's that about ? How does that relate to Islam ? Nothing. Unsettled likes his strawmen. >> How about the practice of chopping the hand off a thief, or >> hanging a family member who dishonors the family? > > There aren't many countries wher this is allowed. ISTRC the hand being > chopped > off goes way back before Islam btw. Yep. Do you think unsettled means all countries which have capital punishment for criminals are "bad?"
From: unsettled on 5 Nov 2006 11:55
jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > In article <35729$454c971e$4fe7327$7959(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, > unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: > >>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >> >>>In article <I7I2h.500$Mw.369(a)newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>, >>> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>>><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>>news:eifeh1$8qk_004(a)s820.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>>> >>>> >>>>>What counts with measuring the effectiveness of any social program >>>>>is the individual stories, not the cut and dried percentages >>>>>of service delivery counts. >>>> >>>>And yet you prefer to believe impersonal books when learning about what >>>>Islam is all about, instead of talking to actual Muslims. >>> >>> >>>What do you suggest? I'm reading about their history. Am I >>>supposed to wait until I can talk to those who are long dead >>>before I learn about the history of that area? Islam >>>did not keep history records other than who studied under whom. >>> >>> >>> >>>>Your hypocrisy on >>>>this issue suggests that you don't intrinsically prefer one or the other >>>>(anecdotes or data), but rather in any given situation, you just pick and >>>>choose what you believe by how well it supports your assumptions and >>>>preconceived notions. Nice. >>> >>> >>>It's an odd behaviour where the very people who suffer a mental >>>aberrration claim that their opposites have the problem. >> >>Unfortunately it is common on usenet, not so much in >>realtime FtF. > Oh, no. This is not a usenet behaviour at all. Why do you > think I'm participating? The Democrat leadership is doing the > exact same thing and seems to be 100% successful at the > redirection. I have yet to see it in raltime, especially FtF. > I wish you would stop the namecalling bullshit. It's taking > too long trying to find the cogent posts that I want to read. You probably ought to extend the same courtesy to a person who is more on your team than not that you extend to the idiots you're arguing with. > As a result, I'm missing important stuff. Perhaps you should understand that to others this is a hobby. |