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From: JosephKK on 16 May 2010 13:41 On Fri, 14 May 2010 13:49:44 -0400, Rich Webb <bbew.ar(a)mapson.nozirev.ten> wrote: >On Fri, 14 May 2010 09:53:01 -0700, John Larkin ><jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > >>On Fri, 14 May 2010 02:10:05 -0700, Archimedes' Lever >><OneBigLever(a)InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote: >> >>>On Thu, 13 May 2010 14:22:51 -0700, John Larkin >>><jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >>> >>>>Windows is such a little-understood mess, hundreds of millions of >>>>lines of tangled, hacked, inter-dependent code, >>> >>> >>> Not any more, idiot. >> >>Of course it is. It took them 20 years to build that mess; it would >>take 1000 to clean it up. >> >>I've read interviews with senior Windows developers who admit that DLL >>dependencies are out of control. > >As one who has tried to build a minimal image for a product using >XP-Embedded, "out of control" doesn't quite convey the hair-on-fire >nature of the problem. The volume and type of modules that get dragged >into the build is truly insane. > >To give MS their due, once I got it tweaked it runs reliably from a >read-only CF card. No fun getting to that point, though. I suppose that reason you did such is that your boss mandated it. If given choice what would you use for a commercial embedded OS if any at all.
From: Joerg on 16 May 2010 16:10 JosephKK wrote: > On Fri, 14 May 2010 10:22:15 +0100, Martin Brown > <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >> On 14/05/2010 10:10, Archimedes' Lever wrote: >>> On Thu, 13 May 2010 14:22:51 -0700, John Larkin >>> <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Windows is such a little-understood mess, hundreds of millions of >>>> lines of tangled, hacked, inter-dependent code, >>> Not any more, idiot. >> It is too early to tell whether Win7 will be considered a decent vintage >> or not. Though it is certainly moving in the right direction. >> >> Vista was without doubt a total dog and is condemned to obscurity long >> before XP which is still in wide industrial use. Many big corporates >> ignored Vista completely - no benefit changing the OS and much hassle. >> >> For all its annoyances XP was good enough. And the last good major >> version of Doze, just as Office 2003 was the last good version of that >> product. It remains to be seen if Win7 will win out completely or >> whether XP will hold onto a niche in the ultra compact portable arena >> and certain industrial applications. My money is on the latter. >> >> Too many pieces of big kit will not work under Win7 compatibility mode >> for the want of dedicated device drivers the instrument makers are not >> willing to develop or supply for old kit. In the consumer market HP >> scanners epitomise the lack of support for old gear on new OS's. >> >> Regards, >> Martin Brown > > I think you are onto something here. The W7 lack of legacy support may > kill it entirely. Same with MSOrifice2007. I fail to understand how MS could have failed to recognize that very fact after they've seen similar issues with Vista. Breaking legacy support is nearly always a guarantee for deep cuts into the revenue. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: MooseFET on 16 May 2010 16:17 On May 16, 9:36 am, "JosephKK"<quiettechb...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Fri, 14 May 2010 10:22:15 +0100, Martin Brown > > > > <|||newspam...(a)nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >On 14/05/2010 10:10, Archimedes' Lever wrote: > >> On Thu, 13 May 2010 14:22:51 -0700, John Larkin > >> <jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > > >>> Windows is such a little-understood mess, hundreds of millions of > >>> lines of tangled, hacked, inter-dependent code, > > >> Not any more, idiot. > > >It is too early to tell whether Win7 will be considered a decent vintage > >or not. Though it is certainly moving in the right direction. > > >Vista was without doubt a total dog and is condemned to obscurity long > >before XP which is still in wide industrial use. Many big corporates > >ignored Vista completely - no benefit changing the OS and much hassle. > > >For all its annoyances XP was good enough. And the last good major > >version of Doze, just as Office 2003 was the last good version of that > >product. It remains to be seen if Win7 will win out completely or > >whether XP will hold onto a niche in the ultra compact portable arena > >and certain industrial applications. My money is on the latter. > > >Too many pieces of big kit will not work under Win7 compatibility mode > >for the want of dedicated device drivers the instrument makers are not > >willing to develop or supply for old kit. In the consumer market HP > >scanners epitomise the lack of support for old gear on new OS's. > > >Regards, > >Martin Brown > > I think you are onto something here. The W7 lack of legacy support may > kill it entirely. Same with MSOrifice2007. I figure people will suffer through the problems with Win-7 and many of the driver issues will get fixed over time. By time it is working well enough to use, MS will roll out the next version of Windows that will require all new drivers and shuffle things around again and so on into the future. A few fewer people will continue to follow along at each step down the path. Others will discover that if you boot your Win-7 machine from a live CD of Puppy Linux, you can just ignore the installed OS and get back to work. With wine, LTSpice works just fine as does the ExpressPCB layout tool. You can be up an designing circuits in under an hour on your new machine. Everything you need will fit on one CD or memory stick. Best of all no having to click on things twice to make them work.
From: JosephKK on 16 May 2010 23:24 On Sun, 16 May 2010 09:42:25 -0700, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On Fri, 14 May 2010 09:15:37 -0700, "Joel Koltner" ><zapwireDASHgroups(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>"MooseFET" <kensmith(a)rahul.net> wrote in message >>news:3f65e065-7db4-4c31-bbc6-24169bfff4e8(a)32g2000prq.googlegroups.com.... >>> We are porting our software over to Windows-7. This means that effort >>> that could be making new product is being burned up. >> >>Microsoft has been working that angle for a long time -- they're so huge they >>need people on something of a perpetual upgrade treadmill in order to survive. >>As others have pointed out, it's not like Win 7 is really that much better >>than XP, or Office 2007 much better than 2003 (or 2002 or 2000 or even Office >>'97...), C# much better than C++, etc. >> >>I think I read somewhere that the largest single chunk of Microsoft's income >>actually comes from sales of Office these days? At least Office 2010 still >>runs on XP -- I'm willing to be the next version won't. >> >>---Joel >> > >I'll bet you a virtual doughnut on that. MSO2010/2011 may come out that >way, but if it does it will be backported to XP post haste. Make that MSO-2013/2014. XP is a decent desktop OS. Vista never was. We shall see about W7.
From: Joel Koltner on 17 May 2010 10:05
"MooseFET" <kensmith(a)rahul.net> wrote in message news:586c4056-1644-4d14-a9a8-02286a09bc99(a)a16g2000prg.googlegroups.com... On May 16, 9:36 am, "JosephKK"<quiettechb...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Others will discover that if you boot your Win-7 machine > from a live CD of Puppy Linux, you can just ignore the > installed OS and get back to work. Is that because the WiFi card will no longer work and hence the guy will no longer be wasting time reading Usenet but back to doing real work? (Ducking...) :-) Seriously, while Linux has made significant strides as of late, there's still a significant percentage of WiFi cards and printers (particularly multi-function devices) that don't work "out of the box." Although I am pretty happy with Ubuntu's latest release (10.04) -- I see a big improvement over the past couple of years that I've been paying attention to it in terms of usability and compatibility. WINE is great insofar as it goes, but it doesn't even begin to run some of the Windows-only-type apps that I use such as Street Atlas USA or (what a co-worker uses instead) Microsoft Streets & Trips. For those programs it's a virtual machine or nothing -- there aren't even any commercial Linux apps that do exactly what those programs do. ---Joel |