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From: MooseFET on 17 May 2010 22:37 On May 17, 7:05 am, "Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgro...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > "MooseFET" <kensm...(a)rahul.net> wrote in message > > news:586c4056-1644-4d14-a9a8-02286a09bc99(a)a16g2000prg.googlegroups.com... > On May 16, 9:36 am, "JosephKK"<quiettechb...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Others will discover that if you boot your Win-7 machine > > from a live CD of Puppy Linux, you can just ignore the > > installed OS and get back to work. > > Is that because the WiFi card will no longer work and hence the guy will no > longer be wasting time reading Usenet but back to doing real work? > > (Ducking...) > You are right to duck. I use my eeepc with its weird nonstandard WiFi card running puppy. It connects to the internet just fine. > Seriously, while Linux has made significant strides as of late, there's still > a significant percentage of WiFi cards and printers (particularly > multi-function devices) that don't work "out of the box." Where I work someone has Windows-7. So far he has managed to make zero printers work correctly. My Puppy Linux CD can access at least 3 and correctly to them. This is all that I have tried. On the printers issue, we can compute the merits of Linux over Windows with a simple equation. Quality = 3/0 = VBN So Puppy Linux scores a VBN on this. > Although I am pretty happy with Ubuntu's latest release (10.04) -- I see a big > improvement over the past couple of years that I've been paying attention to > it in terms of usability and compatibility. Some people have been disappointed with Ubuntu of late. I don't have enough first hand knowledge to be able to comment beyond that. > > WINE is great insofar as it goes, but it doesn't even begin to run some of the > Windows-only-type apps Wine will run every well written Windows program. I think the list of well written Windows apps only has about 5 entries. Anything that uses MFC is automatically a hopeless morass of bugs.
From: Joel Koltner on 18 May 2010 13:14 Hi Ken, "MooseFET" <kensmith(a)rahul.net> wrote in message news:54799ff7-14b7-4908-9abe-e622c6edaedc(a)6g2000prg.googlegroups.com... On May 17, 7:05 am, "Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgro...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >You are right to duck. I use my eeepc with its weird nonstandard WiFi >card >running puppy. It connects to the internet just fine. But was the WiFi card driver provided with the installation CD, or did you have to manually go and track it down on the Internet? In retrospect, I suppose that there's plenty of PC hardware whereby the drivers don't come on the Windows installation CD either, but there your typical user does a bit of Googling to find himself with a setup.exe -- whereas with Linux, if you need a driver that isn't in the package manager, life tens to become a lot mroe painful. (Although it's never been clear to be why you don't see more projects where they provide a .deb or similar file -- I suppose because you have to at least support .deb, .rpm, and probably a few others, and this becomes a hassle.) >Where I work someone has Windows-7. So far he has managed to make >zero >printers work correctly. My Linux machine works fine with the HP OfficeJet K850, but I've never bothered to get it to try to talk to the Canon MX850 (multi-function machine) -- from Googling around it's clear it can be used at least as a regular printer, but it's still pretty hacky to do so. Although I accept that a lot of the problem can be with manufacturers -- if they don't develop a driver themselves or make the documentation available to would-be developers, it's not the fault of the OS that the device isn't supported. >Some people have been disappointed with Ubuntu of late. I don't have >enough >first hand knowledge to be able to comment beyond that. Their self-imposed released schedule of six months has some downsides in that it does tend to restrict the amount of testing they can do, although to some extent this is the tradeoff any Linux distro makes between "most stable" and "newest features." The 10.04 release is a long-term support version (which get more testing), and it seems quite stable and up-to-date -- whereas the last LTS release (8.04) did count as stable but was already pretty dated when released. I see that Puppy has a new release out, which is cool -- I should try it out against Lubuntu on a netbook; I was amazed just how quickly Lubuntu boots on that thing. (I tried out Xubuntu on an almost identical netbook a bit over a year ago, and while it worked fine, it really wasn't that impressive -- I later come to learn that Xubuntu isn't really any more lightweight than full-up Ubuntu.) The Arch Linux concept of "rolling upgrades" is kinda cool too; I've never had a chance to try it out yet, however. >Wine will run every well written Windows program. I think the list of >well >written Windows apps only has about 5 entries. Anything that uses MFC >is >automatically a hopeless morass of bugs. Yes, but is the quality of average Linux software today any better? MFC is actually very much on the way out now that Microsoft is pushing C#, VB.net, etc. for contemporary development; it just has enough inertia that it'll be around for awhile. (I know some programmers -- good guys who write good code -- who were still using Visual Studio 6 from 1998 up until just a few years ago -- Microsoft seriously screwed up some of the post-Visual Studio versions about 6, and it's only around the 2005 or 2008 releases that they finally got back to where they'd been in 1998...) ---Joel
From: Joel Koltner on 18 May 2010 13:16 Ha... doing some more reading, it turns out that Puppy Linux 5 is actually based off of Ubuntu 10.04. Intriguing!
From: FatBytestard on 18 May 2010 20:23 On Tue, 18 May 2010 10:16:55 -0700, "Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgroups(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >Ha... doing some more reading, it turns out that Puppy Linux 5 is actually >based off of Ubuntu 10.04. Intriguing! Ubuntu is VERY nice this time around. Just DL the XBMC iso and you will have a media server and a computer all in one!
From: Frithiof Andreas Jensen on 22 May 2010 05:03
In article <w7KdncjqOOeHz3rWnZ2dnUVZ_jSdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, bitrex(a)de.lete.earthlink.net says... > You could try using Sun's Virtual Box application if you have a spare > copy of XP lying around. I believe you can run 32 bit guest operating > systems on a 64 bit host. > > http://www.virtualbox.org/ Second that - Virtualbox should work. |