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From: Wanna-Be Sys Admin on 8 Oct 2009 16:30 John Hasler wrote: > Wanna-Be Sys Admin writes: >> Let's say they admit it then in addition, then you have to question >> if >> they were coerced. A difficult subject to debate, because really, >> anything is possible, but within some reason one should be able to >> discern the facts. Otherwise, how do you feel about people that >> would rather die than spend life in prison, proclaiming their >> innocence? > > Suicide should always be an option. As unfortunate as it could be for someone to be in such a situation, and maybe some people should be helped, in the end it should be something anyone has a right to do (prison or not). >> A lifetime in prison suffering isn't really any less sensitive of a >> subject than the death penalty, at least not in my eyes. > > Prisoners can be released and an attempt at compensation made > (unfortunately, it rarely is). Death is irreverseable. Yes, true, but if you were imprisoned and were there for likely life, until you die (say 50-80 years in there), what's the difference between how terrible that is and death? I doubt one really sounds much worse than the other in a lot of situations. Regardless, I don't agree that just because it's permenant, that it shouldn't EVER be done. But, again, I'm not the one making those decisions or putting a needle in someone's arm, so I might view it differently if it was a real situation and decision, because it would be difficult to accept that responsibility. In addition, I respect that I don't have a lot of faith in other people's decisions or reasons, and it's not something I always feel comfortable with leaving that control in other people's hands (nor do I have the time or motivation to want to personally try and follow every case, or any for that matter). Tough topic. -- Not really a wanna-be, but I don't know everything.
From: notbob on 8 Oct 2009 16:58 On 2009-10-08, Wanna-Be Sys Admin <sysadmin(a)example.com> wrote: > criticize GDEs, people just don't like you, because you suck (you are > ignorant, arrogant, clueless, unskilled, stupid and weird). That said, > you can have it, I'm out of here. A clue day dawns! nb
From: Aragorn on 8 Oct 2009 18:03 On Thursday 08 October 2009 14:32 in comp.os.linux.misc, somebody identifying as John Hasler wrote... > I wrote: >> Assassinating Adolf Hitler after his party was well established in >> power might have made things worse as he probably would have been >> replaced by someone more competent who would have elevated the dead >> Hitler to godhood: > > Wanna-Be Sys Admin writes: >> Valid point, though I assume he was already a martyr either way to >> some of the people really into his ideals. > > That's not what I mean. If he had been replaced by someone much more > competent the war might have been much worse. He had some very sharp > people working for him but the results they were able to achieve were > limited by his erratic behavior. Imagine Nazi Germany run by Goering > with Rommel as minister of war. Just for the record, Ernst Rommel was not a nazi and didn't even like the nazi regime, but he was a soldier in the field and he did what he knew best. ;-) -- *Aragorn* (registered GNU/Linux user #223157)
From: John Hasler on 8 Oct 2009 18:13 Aragorn writes: > Just for the record, Ernst Rommel was not a nazi and didn't even like > the nazi regime, but he was a soldier in the field and he did what he > knew best. I'm aware of that. So what? He served the Hitler regime and would have served a Goering regime. -- John Hasler jhasler(a)newsguy.com Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI USA
From: spike1 on 9 Oct 2009 07:07
And verily, didst TJ <TJ(a)noneofyour.business> hastily babble thusly: > The same thing has happened on another group I frequent, with an even > bigger buffoon than Sidney. For years, this guy posted right and left on > a single rant, every time anything came up that he could even remotely > connect to his "cause." People engaged him every time, and the more they > engaged, the more he came back, with the same one-note rant. Finally, > they all gave up, realizing that he discredited himself with every post. > The guy hasn't been heard from in that group in six months. Wasn't the master of all surge protection, w_tom was it? Oh dear, I just mentioned surge protectors... AND his name... If he is still active... -- | spike1(a)freenet.co.uk | "I'm alive!!! I can touch! I can taste! | | Andrew Halliwell BSc | I can SMELL!!! KRYTEN!!! Unpack Rachel and | | in | get out the puncture repair kit!" | | Computer Science | Arnold Judas Rimmer- Red Dwarf | |