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From: mpc755 on 24 May 2010 14:40 On May 24, 1:32 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On May 24, 6:11 am, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 23, 9:06 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On May 23, 7:08 pm, "Sue..." <suzysewns...(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote: > > > > > On May 23, 5:01 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On May 23, 4:59 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Light is oscillating in size. > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > ============== > > > > > > What part of "The magnetic and electric FIELDS of AN electromagnetic > > > > > wave...of THE wave" are you incapable of understanding? > > > > >http://science.hq.nasa.gov/kids/imagers/ems/waves2.html > > > > > > "Electromagnetic waves are formed when an electric field (shown as > > > > > blue arrows) couples with a magnetic field (shown as red arrows). The > > > > > magnetic and electric fields of an electromagnetic wave are > > > > > perpendicular to each other and to the direction of the wave." > > > > > You see, that only works for kids. When they grow up > > > > the magical illusion vanishes and they have to learn > > > > integral calculus to explain what formerly seemed > > > > obvious. :-)) > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_integral#Some_practical_applica... > > > > > Time-dependent Maxwell's equationshttp://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node41.html > > > > > Sue... > > > > Just pointing out the 'particle' occupies a very small region of THE > > > wave. > > > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics > > > by the double solution theory > > > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001..pdf > > > > "I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the > > > wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case > > > of an external field acting on the particle." > > > > "This result may be interpreted by noticing that, in the present > > > theory, the particle is defined as a very small region of the wave > > > where the amplitude is very large, and it therefore seems quite > > > natural that the internal motion rythm of the particle should always > > > be the same as that of the wave at the point where the particle is > > > located." > > > > de Broglie's definition of wave-particle duality is of a physical wave > > > and a physical particle. The particle occupies a very small region of > > > the wave. > > > > In AD, the external field is the aether. In a double slit experiment > > > the particle occupies a very small region of the wave and enters and > > > exits a single slit. The wave enters and exits the available slits. > > > > A C-60 molecule displaces the aether. > > > > A moving C-60 molecule has an associated aether displacement wave. The > > > ZC-60 molecule itself occupies a very small region of the wave. The > > > C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit in a double slit > > > experiment. The associated aether displacement wave enters and exits > > > the available slits. When the aether displacement wave exits the slits > > > it creates interference which alters the direction the C-60 molecule > > > travels. Detecting the C-60 molecule causes decoherence of the > > > associated aether displacement wave (i.e. turns it into chop) and > > > there is no interference.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Photon is a particle,and that is proven TreBert- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > No. It is not. And Einstein questioned what he won the nobel prize for > in the end. Light is an oscillating dual wave whose electric energy > collapses into an electric particle at absorption. > > Mitch Raemsch "Light is [a] ... wave ... whose ... energy ... collapses ... into ... [a] ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. Are you refuting your own statements? "light wave ... oscillating into ... mass" is the photon 'particle'. "Light ... is ... small particle" is the photon 'particle'. "Light collapsing into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. "Oscillating into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. If detectors are placed at the exits to the slits in a double slit experiment the 'particle' is always detected exiting a single slit. The ability of light to collapse into a particle travels a single path. The light wave enters and exits both slits in a double slit experiment. The ability of the light to collapse into a particle enters and exits a single slit. The light wave exits both slits and creates interference which alters the direction the 'particle' travels. Detecting the 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated wave and there is no interference.
From: BURT on 24 May 2010 14:44 On May 24, 11:40 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 24, 1:32 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On May 24, 6:11 am, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote: > > > > On May 23, 9:06 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 23, 7:08 pm, "Sue..." <suzysewns...(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote: > > > > > > On May 23, 5:01 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On May 23, 4:59 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Light is oscillating in size. > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > ============== > > > > > > > What part of "The magnetic and electric FIELDS of AN electromagnetic > > > > > > wave...of THE wave" are you incapable of understanding? > > > > > >http://science.hq.nasa.gov/kids/imagers/ems/waves2.html > > > > > > > "Electromagnetic waves are formed when an electric field (shown as > > > > > > blue arrows) couples with a magnetic field (shown as red arrows). The > > > > > > magnetic and electric fields of an electromagnetic wave are > > > > > > perpendicular to each other and to the direction of the wave." > > > > > > You see, that only works for kids. When they grow up > > > > > the magical illusion vanishes and they have to learn > > > > > integral calculus to explain what formerly seemed > > > > > obvious. :-)) > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_integral#Some_practical_applica... > > > > > > Time-dependent Maxwell's equationshttp://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node41.html > > > > > > Sue... > > > > > Just pointing out the 'particle' occupies a very small region of THE > > > > wave. > > > > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics > > > > by the double solution theory > > > > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf > > > > > "I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the > > > > wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case > > > > of an external field acting on the particle." > > > > > "This result may be interpreted by noticing that, in the present > > > > theory, the particle is defined as a very small region of the wave > > > > where the amplitude is very large, and it therefore seems quite > > > > natural that the internal motion rythm of the particle should always > > > > be the same as that of the wave at the point where the particle is > > > > located." > > > > > de Broglie's definition of wave-particle duality is of a physical wave > > > > and a physical particle. The particle occupies a very small region of > > > > the wave. > > > > > In AD, the external field is the aether. In a double slit experiment > > > > the particle occupies a very small region of the wave and enters and > > > > exits a single slit. The wave enters and exits the available slits. > > > > > A C-60 molecule displaces the aether. > > > > > A moving C-60 molecule has an associated aether displacement wave. The > > > > ZC-60 molecule itself occupies a very small region of the wave. The > > > > C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit in a double slit > > > > experiment. The associated aether displacement wave enters and exits > > > > the available slits. When the aether displacement wave exits the slits > > > > it creates interference which alters the direction the C-60 molecule > > > > travels. Detecting the C-60 molecule causes decoherence of the > > > > associated aether displacement wave (i.e. turns it into chop) and > > > > there is no interference.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Photon is a particle,and that is proven TreBert- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > No. It is not. And Einstein questioned what he won the nobel prize for > > in the end. Light is an oscillating dual wave whose electric energy > > collapses into an electric particle at absorption. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > "Light is [a] ... wave ... whose ... energy ... collapses ... into ... > [a] ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > Are you refuting your own statements? > > "light wave ... oscillating into ... mass" is the photon 'particle'. > > "Light ... is ... small particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > "Light collapsing into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > "Oscillating into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > If detectors are placed at the exits to the slits in a double slit > experiment the 'particle' is always detected exiting a single slit. > The ability of light to collapse into a particle travels a single > path. The light wave enters and exits both slits in a double slit > experiment. The ability of the light to collapse into a particle > enters and exits a single slit. The light wave exits both slits and > creates interference which alters the direction the 'particle' > travels. Detecting the 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated > wave and there is no interference.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Light is not a particle. Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 24 May 2010 14:46 On May 24, 2:44 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On May 24, 11:40 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 24, 1:32 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On May 24, 6:11 am, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 23, 9:06 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On May 23, 7:08 pm, "Sue..." <suzysewns...(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote: > > > > > > > On May 23, 5:01 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On May 23, 4:59 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Light is oscillating in size. > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > ============== > > > > > > > > What part of "The magnetic and electric FIELDS of AN electromagnetic > > > > > > > wave...of THE wave" are you incapable of understanding? > > > > > > >http://science.hq.nasa.gov/kids/imagers/ems/waves2.html > > > > > > > > "Electromagnetic waves are formed when an electric field (shown as > > > > > > > blue arrows) couples with a magnetic field (shown as red arrows). The > > > > > > > magnetic and electric fields of an electromagnetic wave are > > > > > > > perpendicular to each other and to the direction of the wave." > > > > > > > You see, that only works for kids. When they grow up > > > > > > the magical illusion vanishes and they have to learn > > > > > > integral calculus to explain what formerly seemed > > > > > > obvious. :-)) > > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_integral#Some_practical_applica... > > > > > > > Time-dependent Maxwell's equationshttp://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node41.html > > > > > > > Sue... > > > > > > Just pointing out the 'particle' occupies a very small region of THE > > > > > wave. > > > > > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics > > > > > by the double solution theory > > > > > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf > > > > > > "I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the > > > > > wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case > > > > > of an external field acting on the particle." > > > > > > "This result may be interpreted by noticing that, in the present > > > > > theory, the particle is defined as a very small region of the wave > > > > > where the amplitude is very large, and it therefore seems quite > > > > > natural that the internal motion rythm of the particle should always > > > > > be the same as that of the wave at the point where the particle is > > > > > located." > > > > > > de Broglie's definition of wave-particle duality is of a physical wave > > > > > and a physical particle. The particle occupies a very small region of > > > > > the wave. > > > > > > In AD, the external field is the aether. In a double slit experiment > > > > > the particle occupies a very small region of the wave and enters and > > > > > exits a single slit. The wave enters and exits the available slits. > > > > > > A C-60 molecule displaces the aether. > > > > > > A moving C-60 molecule has an associated aether displacement wave.. The > > > > > ZC-60 molecule itself occupies a very small region of the wave. The > > > > > C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit in a double slit > > > > > experiment. The associated aether displacement wave enters and exits > > > > > the available slits. When the aether displacement wave exits the slits > > > > > it creates interference which alters the direction the C-60 molecule > > > > > travels. Detecting the C-60 molecule causes decoherence of the > > > > > associated aether displacement wave (i.e. turns it into chop) and > > > > > there is no interference.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > Photon is a particle,and that is proven TreBert- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > No. It is not. And Einstein questioned what he won the nobel prize for > > > in the end. Light is an oscillating dual wave whose electric energy > > > collapses into an electric particle at absorption. > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > "Light is [a] ... wave ... whose ... energy ... collapses ... into ... > > [a] ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > Are you refuting your own statements? > > > "light wave ... oscillating into ... mass" is the photon 'particle'. > > > "Light ... is ... small particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > "Light collapsing into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > "Oscillating into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > If detectors are placed at the exits to the slits in a double slit > > experiment the 'particle' is always detected exiting a single slit. > > The ability of light to collapse into a particle travels a single > > path. The light wave enters and exits both slits in a double slit > > experiment. The ability of the light to collapse into a particle > > enters and exits a single slit. The light wave exits both slits and > > creates interference which alters the direction the 'particle' > > travels. Detecting the 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated > > wave and there is no interference.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Light is not a particle. > > Mitch Raemsch Are you refuting your own statements? "Light is [a] ... wave ... whose ... energy ... collapses ... into ... [a] ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. "light wave ... oscillating into ... mass" is the photon 'particle'. "Light ... is ... small particle" is the photon 'particle'. "Light collapsing into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. "Oscillating into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. If detectors are placed at the exits to the slits in a double slit experiment the 'particle' is always detected exiting a single slit. The ability of light to collapse into a particle travels a single path. The light wave enters and exits both slits in a double slit experiment. The ability of the light to collapse into a particle enters and exits a single slit. The light wave exits both slits and creates interference which alters the direction the 'particle' travels. Detecting the 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated wave and there is no interference.
From: spudnik on 24 May 2010 14:49 "photon" is just a quantum, whose actual nature is, whatever can be measured by the electronic device, the detector; in no way does this require a rock o'light, no matter what Einstein said or thought about his coinage (see; a coin is a particle, two .-) MPC# is babbling, because he or she cannot give us any explanation of any actual quality of light -- either theoretical or experimental -- that would require the addition of "aether" to "electromagnetic properties of space," index of refraction e.g per the invention of calculus via the brachistochrone (tautochrone .-) > > Photon is a particle,and that is proven TreBert > > In a double slit experiment with a photon the photon 'particle' > occupies a very small region of the photon wave and travels a single > path. The photon 'particle' always enters and exits a single slit in a > double slit experiment and it is the photon wave which enters and > exits both slits. The photon wave creates interference upon exiting > the slits which alters the direction the photon 'particle' travels. > Detecting the photon 'particle' causes decoherence of the photon wave > and there is no interference. thusNso: dood, you are *so* nonsequiter; what is the language in which you are most literate?... well, if the answer is English, we can grok that! thusNso: that is a cool graph. what is the quantity of CO2, exuded by volcanos, typically?... does anyone have a quantification of the amount of CFCs, they emit? the main question is about the "observed" temperature, due mostly to interpretations "in the anthropocene" (formerly known as, the Holocene interglacial -- you was then !-) > The following graph plots both and you can see which is larger. http://solar-center.stanford.edu/sun-on-earth/Climate_Change_Attribut... http://solar-center.stanford.edu/sun-on-earth/Climate_Change_Attribut... --Pi, the surfer's canonical value -- except no other! http://wlym.com
From: BURT on 24 May 2010 14:50
On May 24, 11:46 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 24, 2:44 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On May 24, 11:40 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On May 24, 1:32 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 24, 6:11 am, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote: > > > > > > On May 23, 9:06 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On May 23, 7:08 pm, "Sue..." <suzysewns...(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote: > > > > > > > > On May 23, 5:01 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On May 23, 4:59 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Light is oscillating in size. > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > ============== > > > > > > > > > What part of "The magnetic and electric FIELDS of AN electromagnetic > > > > > > > > wave...of THE wave" are you incapable of understanding? > > > > > > > >http://science.hq.nasa.gov/kids/imagers/ems/waves2.html > > > > > > > > > "Electromagnetic waves are formed when an electric field (shown as > > > > > > > > blue arrows) couples with a magnetic field (shown as red arrows). The > > > > > > > > magnetic and electric fields of an electromagnetic wave are > > > > > > > > perpendicular to each other and to the direction of the wave." > > > > > > > > You see, that only works for kids. When they grow up > > > > > > > the magical illusion vanishes and they have to learn > > > > > > > integral calculus to explain what formerly seemed > > > > > > > obvious. :-)) > > > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_integral#Some_practical_applica... > > > > > > > > Time-dependent Maxwell's equationshttp://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node41.html > > > > > > > > Sue... > > > > > > > Just pointing out the 'particle' occupies a very small region of THE > > > > > > wave. > > > > > > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics > > > > > > by the double solution theory > > > > > > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf > > > > > > > "I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the > > > > > > wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case > > > > > > of an external field acting on the particle." > > > > > > > "This result may be interpreted by noticing that, in the present > > > > > > theory, the particle is defined as a very small region of the wave > > > > > > where the amplitude is very large, and it therefore seems quite > > > > > > natural that the internal motion rythm of the particle should always > > > > > > be the same as that of the wave at the point where the particle is > > > > > > located." > > > > > > > de Broglie's definition of wave-particle duality is of a physical wave > > > > > > and a physical particle. The particle occupies a very small region of > > > > > > the wave. > > > > > > > In AD, the external field is the aether. In a double slit experiment > > > > > > the particle occupies a very small region of the wave and enters and > > > > > > exits a single slit. The wave enters and exits the available slits. > > > > > > > A C-60 molecule displaces the aether. > > > > > > > A moving C-60 molecule has an associated aether displacement wave. The > > > > > > ZC-60 molecule itself occupies a very small region of the wave. The > > > > > > C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit in a double slit > > > > > > experiment. The associated aether displacement wave enters and exits > > > > > > the available slits. When the aether displacement wave exits the slits > > > > > > it creates interference which alters the direction the C-60 molecule > > > > > > travels. Detecting the C-60 molecule causes decoherence of the > > > > > > associated aether displacement wave (i.e. turns it into chop) and > > > > > > there is no interference.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > Photon is a particle,and that is proven TreBert- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > No. It is not. And Einstein questioned what he won the nobel prize for > > > > in the end. Light is an oscillating dual wave whose electric energy > > > > collapses into an electric particle at absorption. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > "Light is [a] ... wave ... whose ... energy ... collapses ... into .... > > > [a] ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > Are you refuting your own statements? > > > > "light wave ... oscillating into ... mass" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > "Light ... is ... small particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > "Light collapsing into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > "Oscillating into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > If detectors are placed at the exits to the slits in a double slit > > > experiment the 'particle' is always detected exiting a single slit. > > > The ability of light to collapse into a particle travels a single > > > path. The light wave enters and exits both slits in a double slit > > > experiment. The ability of the light to collapse into a particle > > > enters and exits a single slit. The light wave exits both slits and > > > creates interference which alters the direction the 'particle' > > > travels. Detecting the 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated > > > wave and there is no interference.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Light is not a particle. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > Are you refuting your own statements? > > "Light is [a] ... wave ... whose ... energy ... collapses ... into ... > [a] ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > "light wave ... oscillating into ... mass" is the photon 'particle'. > > "Light ... is ... small particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > "Light collapsing into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > "Oscillating into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > If detectors are placed at the exits to the slits in a double slit > experiment the 'particle' is always detected exiting a single slit. > The ability of light to collapse into a particle travels a single > path. The light wave enters and exits both slits in a double slit > experiment. The ability of the light to collapse into a particle > enters and exits a single slit. The light wave exits both slits and > creates interference which alters the direction the 'particle' > travels. Detecting the 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated > wave and there is no interference.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Stop following me around. |