From: AnthonyL on
On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 07:47:38 -0700, Mike Easter <MikeE(a)ster.invalid>
wrote:

>AnthonyL wrote:
>> Mike Easter
>>> AnthonyL wrote:
>>>
>>>> my supplier has special offers on:
>>> What does 'my supplier' mean in this context?
>>>
>>> Why would you be limiting your shopping in any way based on whatever
>>> your 'supplier' is offering 'on special'?
>
>> PS I tend to buy from suppliers that are easy to buy from in terms of
>> any credit terms, returns policy, guarantees, customer service, goods
>> delivery tracking etc etc, and one of these suppliers is offering the
>> products I am looking at.
>>
>Those very considerations are the numerous reasons that I buy most of my
>electronic goods including routers from my local electronics store.
>
>That store has an excellent returns policy; shortly after purchase the
>return policy is basically 'no questions asked' - that is, the item
>doesn't even have to be broken, just that it turned out that I didn't
>want it after all. Then there is a significantly longer period in which
>I can return an item and get a refund or a replacement because of
>problems with the device.
>
>And thus and especially there is no problem about shipping costs or
>return shipping considerations both of which are huge considerations for
>something which might not work satisfactorily in your environment.
>
>I also don't understand why you say this:
>
>AnthonyL wrote:
>
> > I'll be buying two units, one will be primarily a router and the other
> > will primarily be an AP, but it suits for redundancy purposes to have
> > two identical units.
>
>That sounds to me like you think that the same device, the DSL
>modem/router can be used as an access point, as if it were
>multifunctional in both those capacities.
>
>What does the above cited sentence mean?
>

Up to date every combined wireless ADSL router I have encountered
allows:

a) disable ADSL and use as wireless AP only
b) disable wireless and use as ADSL wired router only
c) disable both and use as switch

I understand that may not apply to all models.


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From: AnthonyL on
On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 13:58:45 -0700, Mike Easter <MikeE(a)ster.invalid>
wrote:

>alexd wrote:
>> Mike Easter wrote:
>>
>>> I also don't understand why you say this:
>>
>> There's some more context in the thread "Wireless connection driving me
>> crazy." that started 20th March.
>
>I guess I'll have to look that up. For all I know his 'state of mind'
>isn't the same now as it was 4.5 weeks ago. I was sorta hoping he would
>say what his current intentions are.
>

Sorry if I've confused people, I tried to keep the question simple but
here is the situation.

I have the following arrangement:

C&W AP (home) -> Linksys WAP54G -- 400m wireless bridge mode --
Linksys WAP54G (office) -> C&W router -> ADSL and LAN

The basic arrangement has been in for around 4 years. The two items
that have caused me problems are the home AP, and the router.

For the home AP I have used a DLINK DWL-700AP which gave me lots of
connection problems. It failed on a power cut (the transformer still
works).

For the router I have used a Safecom SAMR-4114 router, which just
after being out of guarantee failed to deliver the ADSL signal.

When the Safecom failed (before the DLINK did) I was obviously without
ADSL internet and I popped into town and the Cable & Wireless
ADSLR10CW3XI Wireless ADSL2 + Modem router seemed to fit the bill.
Cable & Wireless was a name I knew and as I was in a hurry I did no
prior research. It installed immediately and as my wife was passing
the same store next day I got her to get another one as backup.

When the DLINK AP failed I put the C&W backup there, simply disabling
the ADSL feature. As per the DLINK I would get strange results*
connecting hence the earlier thread.

So it has been in my mind the past few weeks to replace. If I replace
with identically flexibile units then if the office router fails I
will sacrifice internet at home and use that unit until I get a
replacement.

This week I have seen offers of the Linksys and Netgear which seem
well priced. I have assumed that either of them would act as either
AP on its own (why wouldn't it?), or as a non-wireless router on its
own. The 4-port switch option is handy.

So both are well known names, the Linksys having the Cisco name behind
it would in my mind give it the edge but I worry about the lack of
external aerial. The bridged Linksys units have been faultless (touch
wood).

Someone has mentioned Buffalo, but my original, and I thought, simple
question was opinions on Linksys v Netgear. If neither then what?

It is a small lightly used system, 2 - 3 users and as the village is
miles away from the exchange then 1Mbit/s is about the best I can get
so I don't believe I need the top latest state of art box. Just
something pretty basic and reliable both as an electronic device and
in performance.



* The most usual strange result was the the wireless would say
"Connected" but I could not ping the AP even if I used a static IP. I
most often got this if on the home laptop shared with my wife. She
would get a proper connection most times but when I logged in I would
get the "Connected" but not be connected to the network. Usually a
repair connection would fix it. A reboot of the AP (whether DLINK or
C&W) always fixed it. Also most times if I brought the office laptop
home that would connect even if the home laptop didn't.

Usually both machines at home do work.

If you've got this far many thanks for your patience.

Linksys or Netgear (or what else would you suggest please).

Thank you.

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AnthonyL
From: alexd on
On 23/04/10 11:23, AnthonyL wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 12:28:00 -0500, Airman Basic
> <airman_basic(a)hotmail.com> wrote:

>> Had good service from this one in both your roles:
>> Linksys WRT54GL

> I'm in the UK on BT's ADSL and I understand that I need PPPOA and this
> unit only provides PPPOE, though surprising none of the review
> comments mention this on the Ebuyer site.

BT does support PPPoE, but that device doesn't have a DSL interface, so
doesn't fulfil your spec.

> In basic use is the dd-wrt software necessary bearing in mind that
> installing it may well void the warranty?

The whole point of the 'L' version is being a platform for putting third
party firmware on, however I wouldn't be surprised if it does void the
warranty!

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From: alexd on
On 21/04/10 22:51, Mike Easter wrote:

> That link's table says (only) that v3 & v4 of the named device supports
> WDS. The OP specified v5.

Yeah, Netgear don't update their website, hence the link I posted to the
OP not being to Netgear's website. You're the one who stipulated
Netgear's website.

> I can't find much about bridging in the cisco device's docs.

Because it doesn't.

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From: Airman Basic on
On 04/21/2010 7:57 AM, AnthonyL wrote:

>
> Sorry if I've confused people, I tried to keep the question simple but
> here is the situation.
>
> I have the following arrangement:
>
> C&W AP (home) -> Linksys WAP54G -- 400m wireless bridge mode --
> Linksys WAP54G (office) -> C&W router -> ADSL and LAN
>
> The basic arrangement has been in for around 4 years. The two items
> that have caused me problems are the home AP, and the router.
>
> For the home AP I have used a DLINK DWL-700AP which gave me lots of
> connection problems. It failed on a power cut (the transformer still
> works).
>
> For the router I have used a Safecom SAMR-4114 router, which just
> after being out of guarantee failed to deliver the ADSL signal.
>
> When the Safecom failed (before the DLINK did) I was obviously without
> ADSL internet and I popped into town and the Cable& Wireless
> ADSLR10CW3XI Wireless ADSL2 + Modem router seemed to fit the bill.
> Cable& Wireless was a name I knew and as I was in a hurry I did no
> prior research. It installed immediately and as my wife was passing
> the same store next day I got her to get another one as backup.
>
> When the DLINK AP failed I put the C&W backup there, simply disabling
> the ADSL feature. As per the DLINK I would get strange results*
> connecting hence the earlier thread.
>
> So it has been in my mind the past few weeks to replace. If I replace
> with identically flexibile units then if the office router fails I
> will sacrifice internet at home and use that unit until I get a
> replacement.
>
> This week I have seen offers of the Linksys and Netgear which seem
> well priced. I have assumed that either of them would act as either
> AP on its own (why wouldn't it?), or as a non-wireless router on its
> own. The 4-port switch option is handy.
>
> So both are well known names, the Linksys having the Cisco name behind
> it would in my mind give it the edge but I worry about the lack of
> external aerial. The bridged Linksys units have been faultless (touch
> wood).
>
> Someone has mentioned Buffalo, but my original, and I thought, simple
> question was opinions on Linksys v Netgear. If neither then what?
>
> It is a small lightly used system, 2 - 3 users and as the village is
> miles away from the exchange then 1Mbit/s is about the best I can get
> so I don't believe I need the top latest state of art box. Just
> something pretty basic and reliable both as an electronic device and
> in performance.
>
>
>
> * The most usual strange result was the the wireless would say
> "Connected" but I could not ping the AP even if I used a static IP. I
> most often got this if on the home laptop shared with my wife. She
> would get a proper connection most times but when I logged in I would
> get the "Connected" but not be connected to the network. Usually a
> repair connection would fix it. A reboot of the AP (whether DLINK or
> C&W) always fixed it. Also most times if I brought the office laptop
> home that would connect even if the home laptop didn't.
>
> Usually both machines at home do work.
>
> If you've got this far many thanks for your patience.
>
> Linksys or Netgear (or what else would you suggest please).
>
> Thank you.
>

Had good service from this one in both your roles:
Linksys WRT54GL

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833124190&cm_re=linksys_wireless_router-_-33-124-190-_-Product