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From: Jolly Roger on 25 Dec 2009 00:07 In article <SalmonEgg-409FBA.20034724122009(a)news60.forteinc.com>, Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > I think I mentioned that I tried to boot my new Mac Pro from earlier > Leopard install disks. I also tried to boot from Leopard install disks > that I got before I had my first Mac Pro. I could not boot from those > disks. I had no trouble booting from the Snow Leopard instal disks. Naturally. -- Send responses to the relevant news group rather than email to me. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts. JR
From: J.J. O'Shea on 25 Dec 2009 09:44 On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 23:03:47 -0500, Salmon Egg wrote (in article <SalmonEgg-409FBA.20034724122009(a)news60.forteinc.com>): > In article <m2zl58e3n8.fsf(a)revier.com>, Jochem Huhmann <joh(a)gmx.net> > wrote: > >> Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg(a)sbcglobal.net> writes: >> >>> After reading your post, I did use the menu you talked about. There was >>> a message saying "Fetching mew mail" followed by "STOPPING fetching new >>> mail". Meanwhile the spokes continue spinning. >> >> OK, even if Mail is fetching lots or large messages it should not spin >> the ball. There's definitely something fishy here... >> >>> I hope you can understand how confusing it is to have "MAIL ACTIVITY" >>> not saying anything and a separate Activity window showing something >>> else. >> >> Absolutely, yes. >> >>> In any event, it looks like the fetching continues. >> >> Do you have any other way to check this account? Maybe there's a corrupt >> email in there or something. And is this an IMAP or an POP account? Does >> that server/account work with other clients? >> >> You could try one more thing: Quit Mail.app, pen the Mail folder in your >> Library folder and drag the "Envelope Index" file to the desktop. Then >> start Mail again. > > I am using a POP account that has worked well for years using Leopard. It's not the _account_, man, it's the bloody mail database on your bloody machine. The account's fine. Your database is screwed, and you're making it worse. > > Because of this problem I tried a few other things. > > I booted up under Leopard System 10.5.8. This was on the drive from > which I transfered information to Snow Leopard System 10.6.2 that was on > the main drive that came with the computer. I could not get Leopard's > Mail to behave as badly as Snow Leopard's. because it's using _a different mail database_. Mail is stored in the <user>/Library/Mail directory on your system, so when you boot from a different volume you're accessing a different mail database. _That_ database is not screwed. Yet. If you do to it what you've done to the SL database, it _will_ get screwed, in exactly the same way as the other database. > > In addition, I put another Snow Leopard system on a third drive. Again, > using the provided Apple migration software to transfer old Leopard > information. When I booted on this third drive, I got the same kind of > Mail behavior as with the first Snow Leopard system. Where did you transfer the mail database from? The Leo volume or the SL volume? If the SL volume, _you transfered the screwed database_. If the leo volume, you did something funny. Given your attempts (shown below) to do truly silly stuff, I suspect that you did something funny. > > I am concluding that the problem is with Snow Leopard. There are other > little things that make me think that Snow Leopard or the computer > itself is buggy. Personally, I suspect that PEBCK. > > I think I mentioned that I tried to boot my new Mac Pro from earlier > Leopard install disks. God-damn, but you're silly. A _new_ Mac Pro will boot only using SL. Old ones, released before SL arrived, will boot using Leo _and_ SL. This is the way that Apple has done things since forever. Older hardware can boot off older versions of the OS. Newer hardware requires the newer version. Apple has been known to bring out new versions of the OS just to accomodate newer hardware. > I also tried to boot from Leopard install disks > that I got before I had my first Mac Pro. I could not boot from those > disks. I had no trouble booting from the Snow Leopard instal disks. Gee. What a surprise. The hardware behaves as it's supposed to... One wonders what other inanities you perpetuated that you're not telling us, and which of them was the inanity which screwed up your mail database for good and all. Have you by any chance even _tried_ to repair the database? Didn't think so. > > Bill > > -- email to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com.
From: J.J. O'Shea on 25 Dec 2009 09:45 On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 00:07:49 -0500, Jolly Roger wrote (in article <jollyroger-15369F.23074924122009(a)news.individual.net>): > In article <SalmonEgg-409FBA.20034724122009(a)news60.forteinc.com>, > Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> I think I mentioned that I tried to boot my new Mac Pro from earlier >> Leopard install disks. I also tried to boot from Leopard install disks >> that I got before I had my first Mac Pro. I could not boot from those >> disks. I had no trouble booting from the Snow Leopard instal disks. > > Naturally. > > There's nothing natural about it. Being _that_ bone-headed takes not merely native talent, but considerable practice. -- email to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com.
From: Salmon Egg on 25 Dec 2009 14:26 In article <hh2k5602ig4(a)news6.newsguy.com>, J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to(a)but.see.sig> wrote: > > I am using a POP account that has worked well for years using Leopard. > [Item 1] > It's not the _account_, man, it's the bloody mail database on your bloody > machine. The account's fine. Your database is screwed, and you're making it > worse. > > > > > Because of this problem I tried a few other things. > > > > I booted up under Leopard System 10.5.8. This was on the drive from > > which I transfered information to Snow Leopard System 10.6.2 that was on > > the main drive that came with the computer. I could not get Leopard's > > Mail to behave as badly as Snow Leopard's. > > because it's using _a different mail database_. Mail is stored in the > <user>/Library/Mail directory on your system, so when you boot from a > different volume you're accessing a different mail database. _That_ database > is not screwed. Yet. If you do to it what you've done to the SL database, it > _will_ get screwed, in exactly the same way as the other database. > > > > > In addition, I put another Snow Leopard system on a third drive. Again, > > using the provided Apple migration software to transfer old Leopard > > information. When I booted on this third drive, I got the same kind of > > Mail behavior as with the first Snow Leopard system. > > Where did you transfer the mail database from? The Leo volume or the SL > volume? If the SL volume, _you transfered the screwed database_. If the leo > volume, you did something funny. Given your attempts (shown below) to do > truly silly stuff, I suspect that you did something funny. > > > > > I am concluding that the problem is with Snow Leopard. There are other > > little things that make me think that Snow Leopard or the computer > > itself is buggy. > > Personally, I suspect that PEBCK. > > > > > I think I mentioned that I tried to boot my new Mac Pro from earlier > > Leopard install disks. > [Item 2] > God-damn, but you're silly. A _new_ Mac Pro will boot only using SL. Old > ones, released before SL arrived, will boot using Leo _and_ SL. This is the > way that Apple has done things since forever. Older hardware can boot off > older versions of the OS. Newer hardware requires the newer version. Apple > has been known to bring out new versions of the OS just to accomodate newer > hardware. > > > I also tried to boot from Leopard install disks > > that I got before I had my first Mac Pro. I could not boot from those > > disks. I had no trouble booting from the Snow Leopard instal disks. > > Gee. What a surprise. The hardware behaves as it's supposed to... > > One wonders what other inanities you perpetuated that you're not telling us, > and which of them was the inanity which screwed up your mail database for > good and all. [Item 3] > Have you by any chance even _tried_ to repair the database? Didn't think so. While I found J.J. O'Shea's post interesting, I will admit to not fully understanding it. Rather than gerrymandering it even more, I will annotate with Item numbers. Item 1. Whatever data base is used is derived from the Mail in Leopard on the boot drive from my old computer now in my new computer. When booting from this drive, the system is Leopard!. Mail seems to work well then. I suppose there is a database there that works. This drive supplied information for any other Mail data bases using Snow Leopard. This data got transferred by Apple software invoked upon initial booting from a newly installed Snow Leopard system. It is possible that the Migration software cannot handle the job. That was done when I first turned on my new computer. I then installed a new Snow Leopard system on another drive. I transferred data to this drive with Apple migration software. If what you say is true, this migration software cannot take a working Leopard data base and convert it into a working Snow Leopard data base. What is PEBCK? Item 2/ Do different production runs of Mac Pro require different software? If I can run Leopard from a hard drive in a particular machine, why cannot I not install Leopard on that machine? I bought a copy of Leopard some years ago to upgrade my G4. Did Apple do something to prevent installing Leopard on the newest machines. I know by now not to expect much sense, but does that make sense? Item 3. I did try the Rebuild command from the Mailbox menu. There was some computer activity, but whatever it was did not help. Bill -- An old man would be better off never having been born.
From: Salmon Egg on 25 Dec 2009 14:47
In article <hh2k7412ig4(a)news6.newsguy.com>, J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to(a)but.see.sig> wrote: > On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 00:07:49 -0500, Jolly Roger wrote > (in article <jollyroger-15369F.23074924122009(a)news.individual.net>): > > > In article <SalmonEgg-409FBA.20034724122009(a)news60.forteinc.com>, > > Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > >> I think I mentioned that I tried to boot my new Mac Pro from earlier > >> Leopard install disks. I also tried to boot from Leopard install disks > >> that I got before I had my first Mac Pro. I could not boot from those > >> disks. I had no trouble booting from the Snow Leopard instal disks. > > > > Naturally. > > > > > > There's nothing natural about it. Being _that_ bone-headed takes not merely > native talent, but considerable practice. While I do not deny the possibility of my boneheadedness, I would like to know what is boneheaded about that. Without such knowledge, how can I convert from a bonehead to a meathead? Bill -- An old man would be better off never having been born. |