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From: nospam on 7 Feb 2010 16:50 In article <jollyroger-7EA5B6.15374207022010(a)news.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote: > > and some routers have setup wizards. > > Setup wizards also assume you know the jargon. actually they don't. in fact, netgear automatically determines what type of isp connection you have, without any input from the user. it works nearly all of the time. > And setup wizard often > result in low levels of security anyway. nonsense. however, the amusing thing is that the airport has a wizard, so that must mean the airport is not secure. > > non-apple routers > > are *far* cheaper than apple routers > > ...at the expense of (a) being harder to set up and (b) not being > updated automatically through Mac OS X Software Update, to name just a > couple drawbacks. The term "You get what you pay for" certainly applies > here. there's no need to pay for features that won't be needed also applies. > > and once set up there's rarely > > any reason to do anything, so it's entirely moot. > > It has to be set up to begin with, so the point isn't moot at all. worst case, find someone to set it up. it's a one time event and not a justification for paying 2-3x as much for identical hardware, unless the portability of an airport express or airtunes is needed. > > > If you've got the money to spend, you might > > > consider getting an Airport Express instead. > > > > it's very limiting for a main router with no gigabit and just one > > ethernet port. it's nice if you want airtunes or portability though, > > neither of which are a priority for the original poster. > > Then again, the OP can decide if those limits are acceptable for her > particular situation, can't she? yes she can. you explained that they're easy to set up, i explained that they're expensive.
From: Jolly Roger on 7 Feb 2010 17:53 In article <070220101350590060%nospam(a)nospam.invalid>, nospam <nospam(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <jollyroger-7EA5B6.15374207022010(a)news.individual.net>, > Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote: > > > > and some routers have setup wizards. > > > > Setup wizards also assume you know the jargon. > > actually they don't. Actually, they do. They make liberal use of various jargon and acronyms, and often don't explain what they mean in layman's terms sufficiently enough for lots of people to be able to properly answer the questions. > in fact, netgear automatically determines what > type of isp connection you have, without any input from the user. it > works nearly all of the time. That's only step one of many others to follow on the way to securing a router. I would expect that one to be simple. > > And setup wizard often > > result in low levels of security anyway. > > nonsense. Nope, not nonsense at all. If the end user doesn't select the right options during the wizard, they'll end up with WEP or worse security settings. > however, the amusing thing is that the airport has a wizard, so that > must mean the airport is not secure. Nice try, but I did say "often" - not always. Try reading what I say for comprehension in the future, and you can avoid such confusion on your part. > > > non-apple routers > > > are *far* cheaper than apple routers > > > > ...at the expense of (a) being harder to set up and (b) not being > > updated automatically through Mac OS X Software Update, to name just a > > couple drawbacks. The term "You get what you pay for" certainly applies > > here. > > there's no need to pay for features that won't be needed also applies. Absolutely. Personally I consider ease of setup and automatic security and software updates to be well worth the price, considering most other brand routers force you to go out of your way and follow complicated steps to get update, *if* the updates are available to begin with. Most hit end-of-life, no-more-updates status rather quickly. > > > and once set up there's rarely > > > any reason to do anything, so it's entirely moot. > > > > It has to be set up to begin with, so the point isn't moot at all. > > worst case, find someone to set it up. it's a one time event and not a > justification for paying 2-3x as much for identical hardware, unless > the portability of an airport express or airtunes is needed. Better yet, get an Airport Express for $99 and set it up yourself easily, and then rest easy knowing you'll get automatic software updates whenever needed. > > > > If you've got the money to spend, you might > > > > consider getting an Airport Express instead. > > > > > > it's very limiting for a main router with no gigabit and just one > > > ethernet port. it's nice if you want airtunes or portability though, > > > neither of which are a priority for the original poster. > > > > Then again, the OP can decide if those limits are acceptable for her > > particular situation, can't she? > > yes she can. you explained that they're easy to set up, i explained > that they're expensive. Since you're so dead set on having this little pissing contest, I'll just add that price is easily determined, while things like ease of use and so on aren't as evident. So I've been more helpful than you in this case, it seems. ; ) -- Send responses to the relevant news group rather than email to me. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts. JR
From: Kathy Morgan on 7 Feb 2010 18:32 Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote: > In article <070220101350590060%nospam(a)nospam.invalid>, > nospam <nospam(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: > > > worst case, find someone to set it up. it's a one time event and not a > > justification for paying 2-3x as much for identical hardware, unless > > the portability of an airport express or airtunes is needed. > > Better yet, get an Airport Express for $99 and set it up yourself > easily, and then rest easy knowing you'll get automatic software updates > whenever needed. Either one of these options sounds doable. Does the Airport Express offer WPA? (I've been reading the thread about securing wireless networks and it sounds like WPA is something I want.) I don't need airtunes but having automatic updating would be nice. Michelle's post outlining the differences between Airport Extreme and Airport Express makes it sound like even the Express would be overkill for our purposes. -- Kathy
From: nospam on 7 Feb 2010 19:08 In article <1jdjrvq.8sqqno1t80xcmN%kmorgan(a)spamcop.net>, Kathy Morgan <kmorgan(a)spamcop.net> wrote: > Either one of these options sounds doable. Does the Airport Express > offer WPA? (I've been reading the thread about securing wireless > networks and it sounds like WPA is something I want.) pretty much everything supports wpa and wpa2 these days. > I don't need > airtunes but having automatic updating would be nice. Michelle's post > outlining the differences between Airport Extreme and Airport Express > makes it sound like even the Express would be overkill for our purposes. that was my point. save your money and get something cheap. ask questions here if you have any problems setting it up. it's not that difficult.
From: nospam on 7 Feb 2010 19:08
In article <jollyroger-275874.16530607022010(a)news.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote: > > > > and some routers have setup wizards. > > > > > > Setup wizards also assume you know the jargon. > > > > actually they don't. > > Actually, they do. They make liberal use of various jargon and acronyms, > and often don't explain what they mean in layman's terms sufficiently > enough for lots of people to be able to properly answer the questions. not all. you're generalizing. > > in fact, netgear automatically determines what > > type of isp connection you have, without any input from the user. it > > works nearly all of the time. > > That's only step one of many others to follow on the way to securing a > router. I would expect that one to be simple. it's an example. i'm not going to list every single step in the entire wizard. in the case of isp type, the user need not concern themselves with dhcp, pppoe, static ip, etc. the router figures it out (and it works). if you're happy with airports, that's great, but there are other options which should not be ruled out. |