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From: John Woodgate on 8 Aug 2006 11:47 In message <64SdnScjOeapMEXZRVnyiA(a)bt.com>, dated Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Reg Edwards <g4fgq.regp(a)ZZZbtinternet.com> writes >What do Bush and Blair think makes suicide bombers behave as they do? > >Bombers appear to be sensible, intelligent, educated people, eg., >airline pilots, capable of meticulous planning. They are not drugged, >hypnotised or screeming lunatics. > >It is a question which has been avoided but needs to be answered. > >Is it because of something the Amercans have done? > >Any sensible, logical ideas? Religious fanaticism has 'captured' ('enslaved'?) the brains of intelligent people throughout the ages. I don't think any psychologist has ventured an explanation, but it seems that certain experiences contrived by the priests trigger altered emotional states, including the 'capture'. You can see the effect on a small scale in Christian Revivalist ceremonies. It may be a small step from rapture to capture for some people. I believe intelligent people tend to enter deep hypnosis unusually easily. My tutor at college was a Christian Evangelist, and so was one of the local read-sweepers. They shared that 'I am saved' serenity and desire to 'save' others. Consider the words of 'Jerusalem' - is that 'Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand' a 'glorification of terrorism'? -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk 2006 is YMMVI- Your mileage may vary immensely. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK
From: Dirk Bruere at NeoPax on 8 Aug 2006 12:02 John Woodgate wrote: > In message <64SdnScjOeapMEXZRVnyiA(a)bt.com>, dated Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Reg > Edwards <g4fgq.regp(a)ZZZbtinternet.com> writes >> What do Bush and Blair think makes suicide bombers behave as they do? >> >> Bombers appear to be sensible, intelligent, educated people, eg., >> airline pilots, capable of meticulous planning. They are not drugged, >> hypnotised or screeming lunatics. >> >> It is a question which has been avoided but needs to be answered. >> >> Is it because of something the Amercans have done? >> >> Any sensible, logical ideas? > > Religious fanaticism has 'captured' ('enslaved'?) the brains of > intelligent people throughout the ages. I don't think any psychologist > has ventured an explanation, but it seems that certain experiences > contrived by the priests trigger altered emotional states, including the > 'capture'. You can see the effect on a small scale in Christian > Revivalist ceremonies. It may be a small step from rapture to capture > for some people. I believe intelligent people tend to enter deep > hypnosis unusually easily. > > My tutor at college was a Christian Evangelist, and so was one of the > local read-sweepers. They shared that 'I am saved' serenity and desire > to 'save' others. Consider the words of 'Jerusalem' - is that 'Nor shall > my sword sleep in my hand' a 'glorification of terrorism'? Ideas capture the brains of intelligent people. The above refers to religion, but politics is the other great collection of ideas. The kneejerk can be triggered just as much by the word 'freedom' as by 'God', even when the reaction is in opposition to their explicit meanings defined in sacred writings eg Bible, Constitution etc Hence Fields proclivity for defending 'freedom' by supporting tyranny. Dirk
From: Eeyore on 8 Aug 2006 12:15 John Fields wrote: > On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 14:23:05 +0200, "Frank Bemelman" > <f.bemelmanq(a)xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote: > > >"John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> schreef in bericht > >news:vtsgd2lfuljv0fc2jnmnftnko8ajaefnum(a)4ax.com... > > >> Us "throwing money" at Israel is part of our way of defending > >> ourselves under our own laws and in our own way, so if you don't > >> have a problem with Israel doing the same thing (defending herself > >> under her own laws and in her own way) why do you have a problem > >> with us doing the same thing? > > > >It's not exactly staying neutral in the conflicts that Israel > >has, is it? > > --- > Nope, we're very partial when it comes to Israel. Which is one reason you've become a target. > >So you can't complain that this money throwing also > >brings you new enemies, ones that take down a WTC tower or two. > > --- > We'd have those enemies no matter what we did, You think so ? > (Radical Islam is our sworn enemy, don'tcha know) So, what about the vastly overwhelming majority of Moslems ? > and there'd be more of them because > the Jews wouldn't kave killed off the ones they did. That's remarkably myopic of you. > >In fact, by throwing money at it, you increased Isreals problems, > >and your own at the same time. > > --- > Nonsense. If we didn't support Israel they'd perish Israel didn't perish *before* you started giving them money and arms and back then the Arabs were *more* hostile to them ! Whatever makes you think they can't look after themselves now ? > and then the BIG problems would start. No they wouldn't. It might actually calm the situation down. I suspect certain ppl behind the scenes on both 'sides' may not want that though. Graham
From: Eeyore on 8 Aug 2006 12:16 John Fields wrote: > On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 14:37:51 +0200, "Frank Bemelman" > <f.bemelmanq(a)xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote: > > >Would you be so kind and immediately turn in all your nuclear > >weaponry. Thank you very much. > > --- > If we did you'd all be having your throats slit in public. Another crazy idea. Graham
From: Eeyore on 8 Aug 2006 12:21
John Fields wrote: > On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 14:43:03 +0100, Eeyore > <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote: > > > >John Fields wrote: > > > >> On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 22:24:29 GMT, Richard The Dreaded Libertarian > >> <null(a)example.net> wrote: > >> > >> >On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 13:10:11 -0500, John Fields wrote: > >> > > >> >> Well, then, you support Israel's right to defend herself under her > >> >> own laws and in her own way? > >> > > >> >I merely know that I detest the mindset that rationalizes murdering > >> >your neighbors and their wives and children as "defense". > >> > >> --- > >> Then you agree that Hezbollah are murderers and the Israelis are > >> defending themselves against murderers. > > > >Switch Hezbollah and Israel and ask if it reads any differently. > > --- > It doesn't work that way. No ? It does for the Moslem community and all of the Lebanese I'll wager. > AFAIK, Hezbollah was the cause of the current round of nastiness, so > _they're_ the murderers. The Israelis are just defending themselves > by retaliating. That depends when you set the starting gate of course. You can play that game ad nauseam and still never find out who really started it. Graham |