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From: Jim Yanik on 8 Aug 2006 17:18 John Fields <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote in news:f0bhd216smf87futapru90lsofblndtlb7(a)4ax.com: > On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 12:50:02 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax ><dirk.bruere(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>John Fields wrote: >>> On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 19:36:59 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax >>> <dirk.bruere(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> John Fields wrote: >>> >>>>> --- >>>>> Well, then, you support Israel's right to defend herself under her >>>>> own laws and in her own way? >>>> No. >>>> The right of self defence has to be limited in a civilised society. >>>> If somebody slaps me I have no right to burn their house down with >>>> them and their family inside. >>>> The law recognises 'proportionate response'. >>> >>> --- >>> OK, let's say, in one case, that I slap you for no reason other than >>> that I hate you. What would you suggest as an appropriate response? >>> A return slap of equal amplitude and duration or a blow of >>> sufficient power to make me never want to slap you again? >>> >>> In the second case, let's say that I slap you with the intent of >>> getting slapped back, but my eventual plan is to kill you after you >>> slap me back, and for justification I'll call your slap back a >>> disproportionate response. >>> >>> An appropriate response, in my view, would be for you to so severely >>> incapacitate me after I slapped you the first time that it would be >>> impossible for me to continue. >>> >>> In other words, I had no business slapping you in the first place, >>> so you should make it your business to make sure that I can never >>> slap you again. >>> >>> Do you have a problem with that? >> >>The problem in the Middle Eastern context is 'who slapped first'. >>Your argument can just as well be used to justify the actions of >>Hezbollah, Hamas and the PLO as Israel. > > --- > The problem in the middle east is a "Hatfields and McCoys" mentality Not really.Israel would just as soon leave the Lebanses alone. But poke them with a stick,and like a hornet's nest,don't be surprised to get stung by MANY angry hornets. > which has been around for thousands of years. No one even remembers > who slapped first, what seems to be important is who slaps last. > > That's not what I asked you though, is it? > Prior to 1967,when ARABS ruled the West Bank and Gaza,there were no "Palestinians",no Hezbollah,no Hamas,no PLO. Just Arabs of various nearby nations. Arafat was an Egyptian. It was just war after war to drive out the Jews,again. It's part of the "no relapse of 'Islamic Lands'" dicta of Islam. You can also blame Lebanon on PLO,as they fled there after failing to take over Jordan,Black September.It was a nice country before that. Then they tried to use Lebanon as a terror base of operations,were driven out by Israel. Then Hezbollah was born.(a Syrian creation?) -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net
From: Eeyore on 8 Aug 2006 17:32 John Larkin wrote: > On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 20:45:55 +0100, Eeyore > <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote: > > >John Larkin wrote: > > > >> On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 19:24:36 +0100, Eeyore > >> <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >> >> You really think Americans are identical dopes. We're neither. > >> > > >> >So why do you publicly choose to vilify Moslems ? > >> > >> Me? > > > >Americans in general. Per your previous comment. > > "Americans in general" is a gross assumption. I thought you were > against such stereotyping. You said " You really think Americans are identical dopes ". I was responding to that. > >Btw. Where did this idea that the Moslems 'hate the USA' because you're rich and > >powerful etc and they're not come from ? > > Again, I think you are making completely unfounded generalizations and > then basing criticism on them. I didn't make any generalisation at all. I've heard that the above belief is commonplace. It's certainly widespread on usenet and I wondered where it originated. That's all. > I can find neo-Nazis, skinheads, > Muslim-haters, and sardine lovers in any European country, but I don't > assume they're representative. > > Do you get all your news from Reuters? Almost none actually. > http://reuters.myway.com/article/20060807/2006-08-07T162044Z_01_L06301298_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-MIDEAST-REUTERS-DC.html Fairly laughable / comic. I can't believe no-one noticed for so long ! Graham
From: John Fields on 8 Aug 2006 18:53 On 8 Aug 2006 21:18:15 GMT, Jim Yanik <jyanik(a)abuse.gov> wrote: >John Fields <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote in >> --- >> The problem in the middle east is a "Hatfields and McCoys" mentality > >Not really.Israel would just as soon leave the Lebanses alone. --- Right, thanks. -- John Fields Professional Circuit Designer
From: Richard The Dreaded Libertarian on 8 Aug 2006 19:35 On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 21:04:57 +0000, Jim Yanik wrote: > You obviously don't comprehend the definition of "murder",nor of > Hezbollah using their own as human shields,locating launchers among > their people's homes and cities.You have been successfully manipulated > by them. Feh. "Human shields". Another excuse to rationalize murder. "We shelled them and bombed them, but the deaths were our target's fault." That's the "you have disturbed me, therefore I must kill you" imprint. Thanks, Rich
From: Richard The Dreaded Libertarian on 8 Aug 2006 19:37
On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 21:18:15 +0000, Jim Yanik wrote: > Not really.Israel would just as soon leave the Lebanses alone. Maybe, if they hadn't already destroyed it. That is, if they had, in fact, have "just as soon leave the Lebanese alone", there would still be a viable Lebanon. Right now, it's like Poland and France under Blitzkrieg. Thanks, Rich |