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From: John Woodgate on 8 Aug 2006 11:33 In message <44D8A737.50C2467B(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com>, dated Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> writes >I suggest you check out their position in the Bible too...... ......most of which was written by men. A few bits may not have been, and a few of the men may not have been misogynists, but prominent ones were. > > >"I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou >shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and >he shall rule over thee."--Genesis 3:16 Many men would write that, given the opportunity. > >By this third chapter of Genesis, woman lost her rights, her >standing--even her identity, and motherhood became a God-inflicted >curse degrading her status in the world. > >In the New Testament, the bible decrees: >"Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a >woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in >silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not >deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."--1 >Tim. 2:11-14 Paul of Tarsus, arch-misogynist. > >One bible verse alone, "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" (Exodus >22:18) is responsible for the death of tens of thousands, if not >millions, of women. Do women and those who care about them need further >evidence of the great harm of Christianity, predicated as it has been >on these and similar teachings about women? No. > >Church writer Tertullian said "each of you women is an Eve . . . You >are the gate of Hell, you are the temptress of the forbidden tree; you >are the first deserter of the divine law." Another misogynist. If you take boys at seven years old or so, make them grow up celibate and beat them if they show any signs of sexuality, they grow up fearing women, and fear easily turns to hate. > >Martin Luther decreed: "If a woman grows weary and at last dies from >childbearing, it matters not. Let her die from bearing, she is there to >do it." It didn't matter to him, of course. > >Such teachings prompted 19th-century feminist Elizabeth Cady Stanton to >write: "The Bible and the Church have been the greatest stumbling >blocks in the way of woman's emancipation." And still are, in some sects. > >The various Christian churches fought tooth and nail against the >advancement of women, opposing everything from women's right to speak >in public, to the use of anesthesia in childbirth (since the bible says >women must suffer in childbirth) and woman's suffrage. Indeed. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk 2006 is YMMVI- Your mileage may vary immensely. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK
From: John Woodgate on 8 Aug 2006 11:36 In message <f0bhd216smf87futapru90lsofblndtlb7(a)4ax.com>, dated Tue, 8 Aug 2006, John Fields <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> writes >No one even remembers who slapped first, what seems to be important is >who slaps last. 'Joshua fit the battle of Jericho.' The whole thing started from the migration from Ur. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk 2006 is YMMVI- Your mileage may vary immensely. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK
From: John Fields on 8 Aug 2006 11:48 On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 14:43:03 +0100, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote: > > >John Fields wrote: > >> On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 22:24:29 GMT, Richard The Dreaded Libertarian >> <null(a)example.net> wrote: >> >> >On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 13:10:11 -0500, John Fields wrote: >> > >> >> Well, then, you support Israel's right to defend herself under her >> >> own laws and in her own way? >> > >> >I merely know that I detest the mindset that rationalizes murdering >> >your neighbors and their wives and children as "defense". >> >> --- >> Then you agree that Hezbollah are murderers and the Israelis are >> defending themselves against murderers. > >Switch Hezbollah and Israel and ask if it reads any differently. --- It doesn't work that way. AFAIK, Hezbollah was the cause of the current round of nastiness, so _they're_ the murderers. The Israelis are just defending themselves by retaliating. -- John Fields Professional Circuit Designer
From: John Fields on 8 Aug 2006 11:51 On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:56:58 +0200, "Frank Bemelman" <f.bemelmanq(a)xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote: >"John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> schreef in bericht >news:h51hd2t7lj7vbqvpk5h6g56rtvtib44los(a)4ax.com... >> On Mon, 7 Aug 2006 22:38:47 +0200, "Frank Bemelman" >> <f.bemelmanq(a)xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote: >> >>>"Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" <dirk.bruere(a)gmail.com> schreef in bericht >>>news:4jpfi8F95hb6U1(a)individual.net... >>>> John Fields wrote: >>>>> --- >>>>> Well, then, you support Israel's right to defend herself under her >>>>> own laws and in her own way? >>>> >>>> No. >>>> The right of self defence has to be limited in a civilised society. If >>>> somebody slaps me I have no right to burn their house down with them and >>>> their family inside. >>>> The law recognises 'proportionate response'. >>> >>>Civilised folks don't even need a law to see that. >> >> --- >> Hogwash. >> >> Civilized folks is where law came from. > >Only because they started to realize they had less >civilized folks amongst them. --- Not true. Even civilized folks have disputes which need to be referred to a "higher authority." -- John Fields Professional Circuit Designer
From: Dirk Bruere at NeoPax on 8 Aug 2006 11:52
Reg Edwards wrote: > What do Bush and Blair think makes suicide bombers behave as they do? > > Bombers appear to be sensible, intelligent, educated people, eg., > airline pilots, capable of meticulous planning. They are not drugged, > hypnotised or screeming lunatics. > > It is a question which has been avoided but needs to be answered. > > Is it because of something the Amercans have done? > > Any sensible, logical ideas? > ==================================== While the West can understand killing for an idea, it has sometime recently lost the ability to understand why someone might die for one. Dirk |