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From: Karl E. Peterson on 10 May 2010 16:46 Ulrich Korndoerfer wrote: > this is my third attempt to get my post through. I attach it as zip-archive. > Hope that helps. Hopefully, I can respond. <g> I actually "know someone" who might be in a position to facilitate group creation and propogation, so that may not be as large an issue as it might seem. Looking into that. My gut says sticking with usenet is a better long-term strategy than going hybrid at this point. If the intent is to keep the community alive *and* discoverable. -- ..NET: It's About Trust! http://vfred.mvps.org
From: Karl E. Peterson on 10 May 2010 16:52 Ulrich Korndoerfer wrote: > Hi, > > dpb schrieb: >> Ulrich Korndoerfer wrote: >>> Hi Karl, >>> >>> this is my third attempt to get my post through. I attach it as >>> zip-archive. Hope that helps. >> .... >> >> Well, not really since usenet is a text-only format; only some web-based >> front ends or extended mail/newsreaders know what to do w/ attachments. >> >> -- > > Thunderbird seems to have no problems. My post this time came through and my > newsreader has the attachment. What he's saying is that other servers may or may not include the attachment. Microsoft's server happens to accept and offer it for download. Many do not. A safer alternative in text is to ROT13 the questionable portions. For example... Jung ur'f fnlvat vf gung bgure freiref znl be znl abg vapyhqr gur nggnpuzrag. Zvpebfbsg'f freire unccraf gb npprcg naq bssre vg sbe qbjaybnq. Znal qb abg. N fnsre nygreangvir va grkg vf gb EBG13 gur dhrfgvbanoyr cbegvbaf. Sbe rknzcyr... -- ..NET: It's About Trust! http://vfred.mvps.org
From: Karl E. Peterson on 10 May 2010 17:10 GS wrote: > dpb explained on 5/7/2010 : >> Ulrich Korndoerfer wrote: >>> Hi Karl, >>> >>> this is my third attempt to get my post through. I attach it as >>> zip-archive. Hope that helps. >> ... >> >> Well, not really since usenet is a text-only format; only some web-based >> front ends or extended mail/newsreaders know what to do w/ attachments. > > Such as MesNews, for example, which is what Karl uses. I got the attachment > so I'm sure he will too! Yes, I did, but only because I'm logging into msnews.microsoft.com - the attachment isn't there if I go over to news.eternal-september.org instead. Wow! Interestingly enough, it is. That sort of confounds the notion of "text only" access, doesn't it? I suppose I wouldn't have been able to post the attachment from there, but it seems there's no issue with reading it. Huh. -- ..NET: It's About Trust! http://vfred.mvps.org
From: Schmidt on 10 May 2010 18:16 "Karl E. Peterson" <karl(a)exmvps.org> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:%23DJ9XHI8KHA.5808(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > I actually "know someone" who might be in a position > to facilitate group creation and propogation, so that may > not be as large an issue as it might seem. Looking into that. Sounds great. If this "someone" is an experienced UseNet-Admin, who already is hosting and mirroring several UseNet-Groups, then the creation of a dedicated and new vbclassic.* (or classicvb.*) namespace should not take "huge efforts" for somebody like that (as I see it). These new groups could (for the first few weeks - until the namespace is allowed to propagate "officially") very well run separated from the "common UseNet", but being accessible already over this leading NewsServer, which these groups were created on. Would be great, if you could inform us as soon as "some action is planned or taken" in this regard (and if hopefully also different language-groups behind the vbclassic- prefix could be covered), so that we can avoid "double efforts", since we are "about to take action with one thing or the other" over here in the german groups in the next days/week too. > My gut says sticking with usenet is a better long-term strategy > than going hybrid at this point. If the intent is to keep the > community alive *and* discoverable. The same concerns were also mentioned in the german group, where the "MailingList+Gmane coupling approach" is not among the "preferred solutions" anymore. Nonetheless I've not (yet) have given up hope, that we can ensure an "international solution", to not disrupt the different vbclassic-communities to "different servers or usenet-namespaces". I see this very "english-speaking group" as something as the center of the vbclassic-knowledge, where also the regulars from different countries place (but also gather up) new information and then "spread it" back in their national vbclassic-groups. So please Karl, your name carries weight - not only in this group, but also at an international level - it would be great, if you could take the lead in that matter - and even better, if you or "someone you know" could solve the problem not only at the "national level" for this leading, english group - but also for all the "satellite-groups" who search a new home as well. Olaf
From: Karl E. Peterson on 10 May 2010 19:04
Schmidt wrote: > "Karl E. Peterson" <karl(a)exmvps.org> schrieb im Newsbeitrag > news:%23DJ9XHI8KHA.5808(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > >> I actually "know someone" who might be in a position >> to facilitate group creation and propogation, so that may >> not be as large an issue as it might seem. Looking into that. > Sounds great. > If this "someone" is an experienced UseNet-Admin, who > already is hosting and mirroring several UseNet-Groups, then > the creation of a dedicated and new vbclassic.* (or classicvb.*) > namespace should not take "huge efforts" for somebody like that > (as I see it). > These new groups could (for the first few weeks - until the > namespace is allowed to propagate "officially") very well run > separated from the "common UseNet", but being accessible > already over this leading NewsServer, which these groups > were created on. > > Would be great, if you could inform us as soon as "some > action is planned or taken" in this regard (and if hopefully > also different language-groups behind the vbclassic- > prefix could be covered), so that we can avoid "double efforts", > since we are "about to take action with one thing or the other" > over here in the german groups in the next days/week too. > > >> My gut says sticking with usenet is a better long-term strategy >> than going hybrid at this point. If the intent is to keep the >> community alive *and* discoverable. > The same concerns were also mentioned in the german group, > where the "MailingList+Gmane coupling approach" is not > among the "preferred solutions" anymore. > > Nonetheless I've not (yet) have given up hope, that we > can ensure an "international solution", to not disrupt the > different vbclassic-communities to "different servers or > usenet-namespaces". > I see this very "english-speaking group" as something as the > center of the vbclassic-knowledge, where also the regulars > from different countries place (but also gather up) new > information and then "spread it" back in their national > vbclassic-groups. > > So please Karl, your name carries weight - not only in this > group, but also at an international level - it would be great, > if you could take the lead in that matter - and even better, > if you or "someone you know" could solve the problem > not only at the "national level" for this leading, english group - > but also for all the "satellite-groups" who search a new > home as well. I was only just made aware of the possibility, and we're about 8 or 10 timezones apart so communications tend to stretch out a bit at times. Just trying to find out what the real expecations might actually be, at this point. On another point (raised to all here!), is vbclassic or classicvb actually better known (outside the beltway, so to speak) than simply tagging it VB6 and letting that imply 32-bit versions? I really dunno. -- ..NET: It's About Trust! http://vfred.mvps.org |