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From: Karl E. Peterson on 6 May 2010 21:04 Schmidt wrote: > So, I would say we should seriously consider that approach, > since we would be able to bring it to work "in reasonable time, > which does not depend on "usenet approval-procedures" (and > that for a whole lot of vbclassic-groups in other countries too) - > we would be able to provide the "leading content" on our own > (ideally wellknown to the community) servers + we could rely > on a free NewsService which is really easy to setup in any > NewsReader (as said already to Kevin, just try it out against > the server 'news.gmane.org' at standard-port 119). I'll be damned! I just did that, and it's about as responsive as they come. So each of those "groups" is really a maillist? That's open to any/all? I could concievably create a subdomain and allow someone else to run the lists on that, too, right? -- ..NET: It's About Trust! http://vfred.mvps.org
From: David Kaye on 6 May 2010 21:23 Karl E. Peterson <karl(a)exmvps.org> wrote: >Heh, yeah, but comp.lang.basic.visual.misc has been around for ages, >and folks like Paul wouldn't even recognize Mike over there. ;-) People should not expect new newsgroups to be carried by Google Groups. They ignore new groups.
From: Schmidt on 6 May 2010 22:05 "Karl E. Peterson" <karl(a)exmvps.org> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:O9OFEFY7KHA.5848(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > ...just try it out against > > the server 'news.gmane.org' at standard-port 119). > > I'll be damned! I just did that, and it's about as responsive as they > come. So each of those "groups" is really a maillist? That's open to > any/all? Yes read-access for "silent lurking" works without special efforts as you already found out - and although I didn't set up such a thing myself yet, there is only a single "subscription-procedure" at the *first* posting to such an "NNTP-linked" mailing-list (to keep spam-bots at bay), which is described here: http://gmane.org/post.php Not sure currently, how this supscription-procedure interacts with the "Your EMail-address" Textfield (near the bottom) of the gmane "list-registration-form" which one can find here: http://gmane.org/subscribe.php Maybe (probably) this is the E-Mail-Address which is used by the mailing-list-admin (e.g. you ;-) or the admin of a german group), to allow or deny mailinglist-posting-rights either "personally" by looking at it - or (perhaps) per automated reply-mechanism, according to a list of "known posters" which already subscribed as "posters to the mailinglist" in a different way (e.g. per Web- Interface on mvps.org). In either case (when posting to the list per normal NewsReader) it is a good idea, to always use the same (personal) From: mail-address in your Reader (which due to the underlying subscription- mechanism should be a real one, at least at the first posting), the gmane-service is encrypting your personal From: EMail then, so that the posting entries in the NewsReader show up this way (the following is from one of my own posts per NNTP into the sqlite-list, from my working E-Mail-account sss(a)online.de, which I also use for postings into this group here in my From: header, but the gmane-translated post does hide this EMail, which is also nice). ---at the end of a gmane-NNTP-posting, as well as in the NNTP-header--- _______________________________________________ sqlite-users mailing list sqlite-users-CzDROfG0BjIdnm+yROfE0A(a)public.gmane.org http://sqlite.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sqlite-users -------------------------------------------- > I could concievably create a subdomain and allow someone else > to run the lists on that, too, right? Yes, it's really only "plain E-Mail-stuff", which a "leading archive server" has to handle - a "loose coupling to gmane" is just one of the things which are possible - an auto-forwarding of new incoming mailing-list-messages is possible as well. Olaf
From: ralph on 7 May 2010 01:45 On Thu, 6 May 2010 16:28:32 -0700, "Bob Butler" <noway(a)nospam.ever> wrote: > >"Karl E. Peterson" <karl(a)exmvps.org> wrote in message >news:Ozl5nKX7KHA.4208(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> Ulrich Korndoerfer wrote: ><cut> >> I know next to nothing about creating new groups, much less an entire >> hierarchy. So, this may be an ignorant question. >> >> Wouldn't it be easier, and perhaps make more sense, to hook into an >> existing hierarchy? Perhaps creating a comp.lang.classicvb.* node, or >> similar? > >That makes more sense to me; I'm not sure I see a need for more than one >group per language either since the traffic is relatively low these days. > >comp.lang.vbclassic.<language> > >The one advantage of new groups over the comp.lang.basic.visual groups is >that there'd be no valid argument that VB.Net questions were legitimate >there. > There never has been any "legitimate" argument for VB.Net questions to be answered here. All the groups are set up and keyed by "product". "vb" ("Visual Basic Windows Development") is not the same product as the VB.Net ("Visual Basic .Net 20xx" or "Visual Studio .Net 20xx") products. Since the classic visual basic language doesn't exist out the "Visual Basic" product, and traffic is low, there is no particular reason to have more than one group. However, the ppl who have been most 'run-off', yet often had a more "legitimate reason" for being here are users of VBA ("Visual Basic for Applications"), since beginning with VB5 and VBA5 they share the same core language parser and library. <g> -ralph
From: GS on 7 May 2010 04:33
Schmidt was thinking very hard : > "Schmidt" <sss(a)online.de> schrieb im Newsbeitrag > news:%23Zpk2sX7KHA.3504(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > > Oh my, it happened again (sending an unfinished post), > so where was I... > > ...Mailing-Lists are the standard communication in nearly all > ...OpenSource-developer-communities. > ... > ...They usually set up MailMan as the MailService and then > ...have pages like that: > ...http://sqlite.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailman > later on accessing it directly with MailClients, which > support a hierarchic view of "normal E-Mails", according > to "mailing-list-style" ... > *or* > they use a web-interface on the mailing-lists content as e.g.: > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.db.sqlite.general > *or* > they access the list per NewsClient over NNTP: > nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.db.sqlite.general Wow.., there's 56,350 posts there! That's going to take a while to read!<bg> It took a few minutes to download, but worked no hassle. Don't ee any familiar names there. > > This link shows, how gmane handles the links to the > underlying mailing-lists on which it offers its free services. > http://gmane.org/list-address.php?group=gmane.comp.db.sqlite.general > and here's the general gmane-page for the sqlite-mailing-list. > http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.db.sqlite.general > > So, I would say we should seriously consider that approach, > since we would be able to bring it to work "in reasonable time, > which does not depend on "usenet approval-procedures" (and > that for a whole lot of vbclassic-groups in other countries too) - > we would be able to provide the "leading content" on our own > (ideally wellknown to the community) servers + we could rely > on a free NewsService which is really easy to setup in any > NewsReader (as said already to Kevin, just try it out against > the server 'news.gmane.org' at standard-port 119). > > Olaf |