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From: T i m on 4 May 2010 09:15 On Tue, 4 May 2010 11:30:39 +0100, usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody) wrote: >> So that's the one on the Nokia specifically then as Synaptic seems >> pretty good with all the dependencies etc (and there is no way I would >> know what to do if it didn't). > >Yeh, they always trip me up. But my n810 is in a state where it won't >update properly as it requires some package that for some reason it >doesn't know about, and I don't know what to update. Or at least that is >how it was last time I tried. >I guess I need to put it back to factory, and then do a full update. > >> And does it do Flash? Until Apple change the world I think I'd like a >> browser that can. > >Yes, it does. Not sure if it is flash light though. Hitting flash will >slow it to a crawl though but was never much of a problem for me, as I >don't tend to go to too many sites with flash on them. (and they are >mostly adverts) Understood. The point (for me) is that it does support Flash, not because I think it's a good thing in itself (I care less) but that many sites seem to use it so I don't want to be locked out for no 'good' reason. > > >This is quite a good review on it: ><http://www.last100.com/2008/02/25/hands-on-nokias-n810-internet-tablet/ >> Of course I like the: "Likewise with the device�s UI; it gets the job done but feels too PC-centric compared with the iPhone/iPod Touch�s Multi-Touch interface." ;-) So, you keeping it? Cheers, T i m
From: Woody on 4 May 2010 09:34 T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: > On Tue, 4 May 2010 11:30:39 +0100, usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody) > wrote: > >> And does it do Flash? Until Apple change the world I think I'd like a > >> browser that can. > > > >Yes, it does. Not sure if it is flash light though. Hitting flash will > >slow it to a crawl though but was never much of a problem for me, as I > >don't tend to go to too many sites with flash on them. (and they are > >mostly adverts) > > Understood. The point (for me) is that it does support Flash, not > because I think it's a good thing in itself (I care less) but that > many sites seem to use it so I don't want to be locked out for no > 'good' reason. ok, well, yes it does have it. > >This is quite a good review on it: > ><http://www.last100.com/2008/02/25/hands-on-nokias-n810-internet-tablet/ > >> > Of course I like the: > > "Likewise with the device's UI; it gets the job done but feels too > PC-centric compared with the iPhone/iPod Touch's Multi-Touch > interface." ;-) That is the problem with it really. It is another case of like normal, the problem wasn't thought about at all, they just took what was available and put it on a small device. It is why you need companies like apple to think about the problem again, or even just to take what is available and apply it properly. The web browser with scroll bars work fine on a desktop, you can read everything and everything has been designed to fit. When you get it on a smaller screen, you need the text taking up more space, so it doesn't fit in the window, so you have to scroll around to view stuff. You find the bit you want, but it is too small to see, so you go to the menu or icon and select zoom, then you go back to the bars and find where you were again. It is slow and cumbersome, compared to the iPod zoom in / out where you are. You certainly notice the awkwardness going from the iPhone to the nokia > So, you keeping it? Not fussed. not attached to it but not that bothered about getting rid of it either. These things tend to live in the cupboard of dead tech for ever! -- Woody
From: T i m on 4 May 2010 10:00 On Tue, 4 May 2010 14:34:30 +0100, usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody) wrote: >> "Likewise with the device's UI; it gets the job done but feels too >> PC-centric compared with the iPhone/iPod Touch's Multi-Touch >> interface." ;-) > >That is the problem with it really. It is another case of like normal, >the problem wasn't thought about at all, they just took what was >available and put it on a small device. It is why you need companies >like apple to think about the problem again, or even just to take what >is available and apply it properly. > Fine if they actually do so without cutting you off from something (like Flash). I wasn't aware of Flash before reading about it here and certainly never saw it as an issue (outside clicking on 'You don' have Flash installed, click here to do so' messages the first time you go on the web etc. I can also se why Apple might not want to support it, trying to swing the World round to their way of thinking (because they are Apple) and if supporting it isn't easy for them (hardware limitations etc). However, in the meantime I don't want to be left in the cold or get involved in their arguments, I just want to be able to use the web, warts and all? >The web browser with scroll bars work fine on a desktop, you can read >everything and everything has been designed to fit. When you get it on a >smaller screen, you need the text taking up more space, so it doesn't >fit in the window, so you have to scroll around to view stuff. Ok. > You find >the bit you want, but it is too small to see, so you go to the menu or >icon and select zoom, then you go back to the bars and find where you >were again. Ok. > It is slow and cumbersome, compared to the iPod zoom in / >out where you are. You certainly notice the awkwardness going from the >iPhone to the nokia And I found the Touch awkward enough! ;-( > >> So, you keeping it? > >Not fussed. not attached to it but not that bothered about getting rid >of it either. These things tend to live in the cupboard of dead tech for >ever! ;-) Ok, well thanks for yer help and I guess I'll have to carry on looking for a suitable solution. Maybe an old laptop with Ubuntu and a car PSU left in the car and the Voda PAYG dongle kept in my pocket *would* cover my needs till then. Cheers, T i m p.s. I've just plugged said dongle into the Tosh A300 under Ubuntu 10.04, XP then Vista. I did so with the dongle on the end of a 5m single port USB hub (extension lead). Ubuntu found the HUB and modem on it's own and I just had to set up the properties to tell it what service it was on. Both XP and Vista got confused with the dongle on the extension lead but did work over it once the dongle had been plugged in directly and the drivers installed etc. With Windows I get the 'Check Balance' option though.
From: Woody on 4 May 2010 10:09 T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: > On Tue, 4 May 2010 14:34:30 +0100, usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody) > wrote: > > > >> "Likewise with the device's UI; it gets the job done but feels too > >> PC-centric compared with the iPhone/iPod Touch's Multi-Touch > >> interface." ;-) > > > >That is the problem with it really. It is another case of like normal, > >the problem wasn't thought about at all, they just took what was > >available and put it on a small device. It is why you need companies > >like apple to think about the problem again, or even just to take what > >is available and apply it properly. > > > Fine if they actually do so without cutting you off from something > (like Flash). I wasn't aware of Flash before reading about it here and > certainly never saw it as an issue (outside clicking on 'You don' have > Flash installed, click here to do so' messages the first time you go > on the web etc. I can also se why Apple might not want to support it, > trying to swing the World round to their way of thinking (because they > are Apple) and if supporting it isn't easy for them (hardware > limitations etc). However, in the meantime I don't want to be left in > the cold or get involved in their arguments, I just want to be able to > use the web, warts and all? Certainly if that is important to you then it can be a big deal. I was refering to the multitouch. I guess I am lucky in not having to use any sites that use flash as anything other than advertising, so it is a bonus for me not having it (although obviously more of a bonus if it had it and I could switch it off like on my macbook). > >The web browser with scroll bars work fine on a desktop, you can read > >everything and everything has been designed to fit. When you get it on a > >smaller screen, you need the text taking up more space, so it doesn't > >fit in the window, so you have to scroll around to view stuff. > > Ok. > > > You find > >the bit you want, but it is too small to see, so you go to the menu or > >icon and select zoom, then you go back to the bars and find where you > >were again. > > Ok. > > > It is slow and cumbersome, compared to the iPod zoom in / > >out where you are. You certainly notice the awkwardness going from the > >iPhone to the nokia > > And I found the Touch awkward enough! ;-( it is a lot less awkward than scrollbars! > >> So, you keeping it? > > > >Not fussed. not attached to it but not that bothered about getting rid > >of it either. These things tend to live in the cupboard of dead tech for > >ever! > > ;-) > > Ok, well thanks for yer help and I guess I'll have to carry on looking > for a suitable solution. Maybe an old laptop with Ubuntu and a car PSU > left in the car and the Voda PAYG dongle kept in my pocket *would* > cover my needs till then. So what is wrong with the Palm, or doesn't it do proper web stuff? > p.s. I've just plugged said dongle into the Tosh A300 under Ubuntu > 10.04, XP then Vista. I did so with the dongle on the end of a 5m > single port USB hub (extension lead). > > Ubuntu found the HUB and modem on it's own and I just had to set up > the properties to tell it what service it was on. > > Both XP and Vista got confused with the dongle on the extension lead > but did work over it once the dongle had been plugged in directly and > the drivers installed etc. > > With Windows I get the 'Check Balance' option though. Check balance? it was worried it would fall over? -- Woody
From: T i m on 4 May 2010 10:39
On Tue, 4 May 2010 15:09:09 +0100, usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody) wrote: >> Fine if they actually do so without cutting you off from something >> (like Flash). I wasn't aware of Flash before reading about it here and >> certainly never saw it as an issue (outside clicking on 'You don' have >> Flash installed, click here to do so' messages the first time you go >> on the web etc. I can also se why Apple might not want to support it, >> trying to swing the World round to their way of thinking (because they >> are Apple) and if supporting it isn't easy for them (hardware >> limitations etc). However, in the meantime I don't want to be left in >> the cold or get involved in their arguments, I just want to be able to >> use the web, warts and all? > >Certainly if that is important to you then it can be a big deal. And how do you know when it won' be a big deal for you? Like, I went to a site the other day and the video demonstration re how the thing worked was in Flash. How would that appear on the iPhone/Pad? > I was >refering to the multitouch. I know. OOI, doesn't N810 allow (maybe via the use of another browser) full screen scrolling? This seemed to suggest it does (not exactly slick but real-world at least <g>). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDe1gd-pBRo >I guess I am lucky in not having to use any sites that use flash as >anything other than advertising, so it is a bonus for me not having it >(although obviously more of a bonus if it had it and I could switch it >off like on my macbook). But isn't that like someone coming up to you and saying "Any spare change"? One answer could be "I don't know, I haven't finished my life yet ...?". My point is whilst I'm not saying it's (Flash) is a good thing I know it has it's uses and I have no issue with it. If however Flash causes your Apple device to melt then I can see why you wouldn't want it! > > >> And I found the Touch awkward enough! ;-( > >it is a lot less awkward than scrollbars! Understood (see above). > >> Ok, well thanks for yer help and I guess I'll have to carry on looking >> for a suitable solution. Maybe an old laptop with Ubuntu and a car PSU >> left in the car and the Voda PAYG dongle kept in my pocket *would* >> cover my needs till then. > >So what is wrong with the Palm, or doesn't it do proper web stuff? Not really, or certainly no predictably enough to be able to use it to get out of trouble etc (like doing a 'Collect in store' order outside the store and via a MiFi etc). > >> >> With Windows I get the 'Check Balance' option though. > >Check balance? it was worried it would fall over? The old cash point joke eh. ;-) No, because the PAYG dongle is new to me I don't have a feel for how expensive it is (or isn't) to use yet. I'm getting to feel it's ok as it's just showed me it still has �13.66 of credit after just downloading a 5M test file and installing / testing it on numerous machines (and doing a Collect in store order) over a good few months. ;-) I actually managed to find another Voda dongle (�23 / new) on the same deal (new ones expire after 30 days) and I've given it to daughter to have with her in Scotland. Not that there is much chance of her ever finding a signal up there of course ... ;-) Cheers, T i m |