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From: Chris Ridd on 4 May 2010 15:46 On 2010-05-04 19:51:01 +0100, Woody said: > Graeme <Graeme(a)greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >> In message <1jhzcza.1yn5az91dqu0w7N%usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> >> usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody) wrote: >> >>> T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 4 May 2010 15:54:33 +0100, usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody) >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> And how do you know when it won' be a big deal for you? Like, I went >>>>>> to a site the other day and the video demonstration re how the thing >>>>>> worked was in Flash. How would that appear on the iPhone/Pad? >>>>> >>>>> True. Well, ok up until now it has never been an issue. >>>> >>>> I thought using Firefox wasn't an issue till it failed to display a >>>> whole settings pane on a router configuration screen! ;-( >>> >>> That is a problem! And a reminder never to use that brand of router >>> again. Mine you I would think that that should go in the past soon, as >>> IE market share has gone below 60% >>> >> >> I wonder how much of that market share is accounted for other browsers >> spoofing IE identity to avoid idiotic prohibitions. > > Probably a very tiny fraction of a percent I would have thought. Does browser spoofing just change the UA string, or does it change the Javascript-accessible object behaviours? -- Chris
From: T i m on 4 May 2010 15:48 On Tue, 4 May 2010 19:01:27 +0100, usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody) wrote: >> I thought using Firefox wasn't an issue till it failed to display a >> whole settings pane on a router configuration screen! ;-( > >That is a problem! And a reminder never to use that brand of router >again. There wasn't much choice and I was only using it in the first place to overcome a limitation on Dads Mac. (it was a 'gaming adaptor more than a router). > Mine you I would think that that should go in the past soon, as >IE market share has gone below 60% I wonder if that has happened since M$ started giving that browser choice thing? > >> >> Ah, so you are only using this for 'work'? (Cos I was talking >> generally and you seem to be talking specifically). > >No just general. I mean the things I saw that were flash only were >generally 'media' companies with no real content. And one guitar site, >but then there wasn't much on there worth seeing, there were better >sites that gave info that wasn't on their site. >So as a result I am not bothered either way whether I have flash or not >- there have been no times on my iPhone where I have felt I couldn't do >something because of the lack of flash. Ok. > >> So it's just a smoothly rather than possibly thing? You *can* zoom and >> on the current centre but not smoothly? > >more easily than smoothly. All I mean by that is trying it on the iPhone >/ iPod it is fluid and easy to use, in the way that I don't think about >it unless lots of zooming is required (which can happen on some forums). >On the other types of browsers it is not as fluid, and I get irritated >with it faster (especially on forums with small paging indicators, such >as, ironically, the Maemo forums!) Ok thanks. >Don't get me wrong, when I first tried the previous model, the 770, I >was really impressed that it worked, and I went across the north easter >states of the US using it. It failed in a couple of place as its browser >wasn't as good (as the 810) and memory was a lot more restricted, but it >was a positive benifit, and it would have been harder without it. >The 810 is a great bonus on that, it is more compatible and doesnt run >out of memory like the 770 did. Thanks again (I was wondering what the differences were). ;-) > >> >> See above (work use). I'm not a big web game player but I know there >> are some games that I play occasional that I understand are in Flash. > >There are indeed, and obviously they wouldn't work on the iPod. On the >other hand there are a lot of free games that do the same thing, so it >doesn't make much difference in use. However, if you have a web game you >like that isn't an app on the iPod, you would be out of luck. Soo that's the rub then, you have (have to, if you didn't realise it wouldn't do Flash etc) miss out on something because? Because to allow it *to* do it would mean a much reduced battery life (for one)? I wonder if they should put that in the adverts .. "It will run for 8 hours (because it can't do Flash)"? I would rather see "Runs for up to 8 hours (but will be considerably less if you use Flash)". > >> So if I were to adopt the 'No Flash here' thing (and I have no idea >> why I or anyone would) then I would miss out .. Nose // spite face >> sorta thing? ie, I'm not aware of any negative implications of Flash. >> I don't generally get mis-directed to advert sites because of my Hosts >> file and Windows seems to cope with it ok. Maybe that's why I don't >> see 'the problem'? > >I can see both sides of the problem, and am personally not bothered. I >am not generally affected on the Mac by flash as I have a flash blocker, I wonder why you (and others of course) go to the lengths of blocking it and I don't seem to notice and even enjoy it sometimes? I mean I block Ads and loads of iffy sites so it's not like I just accept the lot? >or on the iPhone as it doesn't have flash. But on the same token I am >not affected (that I know of) through a lack of flash. Ah (that you know of). ;-) >On the grand scheme of things for me, the iPhone / iPod is the best >online experience I have had on a truly portable mobile device, so until >I can find something that is better (which I am sure will come out >soon), I am not crying over a lack of flash Indeed, but then why would you as you obviously don't like, need or want it? What I'm saying is I don't particularly like or want it but I like to think that any kit I used could do it if required. Just as I would want a browser to display any web site I went to (that was reasonably displayable of course) or a media player to play all of the common formats. > > >> Well that could be easily avoided I'd imagine (don't zoom right in). >> ;-) > >Indeed. Back to my point of pressing pause on winamp which used to crash >my PC. Simple answer, don't press pause! ;-) >> Ere, on that, just though <sits down a bit dizzy> you mentioned Linux >> on the n810 and a USB host? I wonder if it would work one of the USB >> mobile bb dongles? > >hmm.. well, working is the thing isn't it - Yup. >you would need a USB network >driver for it. I don't know if one exists, but if it is complicated and >pointless someone would have done it! I would be interested to see what it did if you plugged one in? Cheers, T i m
From: Woody on 4 May 2010 16:37 Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com> wrote: > On 2010-05-04 19:51:01 +0100, Woody said: > > > Graeme <Graeme(a)greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > > >> In message <1jhzcza.1yn5az91dqu0w7N%usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> > >> usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody) wrote: > >> > >>> T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Tue, 4 May 2010 15:54:33 +0100, usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody) > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> And how do you know when it won' be a big deal for you? Like, I went > >>>>>> to a site the other day and the video demonstration re how the thing > >>>>>> worked was in Flash. How would that appear on the iPhone/Pad? > >>>>> > >>>>> True. Well, ok up until now it has never been an issue. > >>>> > >>>> I thought using Firefox wasn't an issue till it failed to display a > >>>> whole settings pane on a router configuration screen! ;-( > >>> > >>> That is a problem! And a reminder never to use that brand of router > >>> again. Mine you I would think that that should go in the past soon, as > >>> IE market share has gone below 60% > >>> > >> > >> I wonder how much of that market share is accounted for other browsers > >> spoofing IE identity to avoid idiotic prohibitions. > > > > Probably a very tiny fraction of a percent I would have thought. > > Does browser spoofing just change the UA string, or does it change the > Javascript-accessible object behaviours? Just the string -- Woody Alienrat Design Ltd
From: T i m on 4 May 2010 17:33 On Tue, 4 May 2010 21:37:31 +0100, usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody) wrote: >> Soo that's the rub then, you have (have to, if you didn't realise it >> wouldn't do Flash etc) miss out on something because? Because to allow >> it *to* do it would mean a much reduced battery life (for one)? I >> wonder if they should put that in the adverts .. "It will run for 8 >> hours (because it can't do Flash)"? I would rather see "Runs for up to >> 8 hours (but will be considerably less if you use Flash)". > >I really doubt it was that much to do with battery life. I thought that was one of the reasons Mr Jobs put forward? >I mean if you >play a game it will reduce the battery life, and the GPS for some reason >is a killer. Ok. > >Well, you block it too then, you just choose a different method. Erm, I block websites, you block Flash, is that the same thing (even if it has a similar result sometimes)? > To be >honest, I am not that bothered, I just installed it once when people >were going on about it, and it got rid of a load of adverts that I found >irritating. You went about it a different way. Yes, I blocked some advertising sites but can still see any flash on any site I do get to. > > >Well, I know on the iPhone, and on the mac if I want to see a flash >thing I just click on it and it plays. It just stops it autoplaying. Oh, I thought the iPhone couldn't do Flash at all? Or is it just the Pod / Touch / Pad (or could they as well somehow)? If they can then that's a different story as the user has the option again. > >> What I'm saying is I don't particularly like or want it but I like to >> think that any kit I used could do it if required. Just as I would >> want a browser to display any web site I went to (that was reasonably >> displayable of course) or a media player to play all of the common >> formats. > >I would too, but given the state of the technology the iPhone gives me >the best web experience I have had on a small device so from my point of >view, I can see any website that I want to go to, in a way I couldn't >with another device. If it had flash then fine, that would be good as >well in case there was somethign that needed it, but given that all >small devices have limitations, the lack of flash (for whatever reason) >is less of a compromise (for me) than other devices navigation >limitations. Ah, I thought that you actually agreed that it shouldn't be supported (and because you blocked it etc). I agree the compromise thing of course (all other key factors being acceptable). > >> >> I would be interested to see what it did if you plugged one in? > >that would almost certainly involve me finding the box that the nokia >came in, which is in a built in cupboard in my office, behind 3 guitars, >a couple of camera bags and a group of picture frames I put there the >other day, then leaning round the side on the shelves getting it from >where I think it is, under a few other things. Couldn't you send a rat in to get it? ;-) > >And then finding a female - female USB adapter, which I almost certainly >have in that same cupboard! Send the rat back in? >ie, I don't think it is going to happen any time soon! Ah, rat training time eh? ... ;-) Cheers, T i m p.s. We had a Whippet - Terrier cross that came via the Whippet Rescue (she looked sufficiently whippety to end up there). She was extremely intelligent and seemed to sense what I was thinking and just do it. She would walk to heel off the lead, would chase a cat as far as the kerb then stop (the cats didn't of course) and had the retrieval instinct and nose of a gundog. I was going to train her to go indoors and pick up a 10mm spanner (that was left at a particular location) and when I was working on a motorbike in the back garden and a mate popped in I would ask her to "go get a 10mm ring spanner". Imagine their face when she does just that. ;-)
From: Woody on 4 May 2010 17:53
T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: > On Tue, 4 May 2010 21:37:31 +0100, usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody) > wrote: > > > >> Soo that's the rub then, you have (have to, if you didn't realise it > >> wouldn't do Flash etc) miss out on something because? Because to allow > >> it *to* do it would mean a much reduced battery life (for one)? I > >> wonder if they should put that in the adverts .. "It will run for 8 > >> hours (because it can't do Flash)"? I would rather see "Runs for up to > >> 8 hours (but will be considerably less if you use Flash)". > > > >I really doubt it was that much to do with battery life. > > I thought that was one of the reasons Mr Jobs put forward? I really don't know, I don't tend to listen to what he says really. Last keynote I actually watched was a few years ago. > >I mean if you > >play a game it will reduce the battery life, and the GPS for some reason > >is a killer. > > Ok. > > > >Well, you block it too then, you just choose a different method. > > Erm, I block websites, you block Flash, is that the same thing (even > if it has a similar result sometimes)? As you say, similar result, but different method. Probably same reason. > > To be > >honest, I am not that bothered, I just installed it once when people > >were going on about it, and it got rid of a load of adverts that I found > >irritating. You went about it a different way. > > Yes, I blocked some advertising sites but can still see any flash on > any site I do get to. > > > > > >Well, I know on the iPhone, and on the mac if I want to see a flash > >thing I just click on it and it plays. It just stops it autoplaying. > > Oh, I thought the iPhone couldn't do Flash at all? No it can't - I said the mac I have to click it. > >> What I'm saying is I don't particularly like or want it but I like to > >> think that any kit I used could do it if required. Just as I would > >> want a browser to display any web site I went to (that was reasonably > >> displayable of course) or a media player to play all of the common > >> formats. > > > >I would too, but given the state of the technology the iPhone gives me > >the best web experience I have had on a small device so from my point of > >view, I can see any website that I want to go to, in a way I couldn't > >with another device. If it had flash then fine, that would be good as > >well in case there was somethign that needed it, but given that all > >small devices have limitations, the lack of flash (for whatever reason) > >is less of a compromise (for me) than other devices navigation > >limitations. > > Ah, I thought that you actually agreed that it shouldn't be supported > (and because you blocked it etc). No, I said I wasn't bothered. I can see some reasons why it could be a good thing it was blocked from a software or useabilty point of view, but no, in an ideal world it would be nice if everything that is supportable was. > I agree the compromise thing of > course (all other key factors being acceptable). > > > >> > >> I would be interested to see what it did if you plugged one in? > > > >that would almost certainly involve me finding the box that the nokia > >came in, which is in a built in cupboard in my office, behind 3 guitars, > >a couple of camera bags and a group of picture frames I put there the > >other day, then leaning round the side on the shelves getting it from > >where I think it is, under a few other things. > > Couldn't you send a rat in to get it? ;-) Yes, they would love it, a cupboard full of leads. > >And then finding a female - female USB adapter, which I almost certainly > >have in that same cupboard! > > Send the rat back in? > > >ie, I don't think it is going to happen any time soon! > > Ah, rat training time eh? ... ;-) > > Cheers, T i m > > p.s. We had a Whippet - Terrier cross that came via the Whippet Rescue > (she looked sufficiently whippety to end up there). She was extremely > intelligent and seemed to sense what I was thinking and just do it. > She would walk to heel off the lead, would chase a cat as far as the > kerb then stop (the cats didn't of course) and had the retrieval > instinct and nose of a gundog. > > I was going to train her to go indoors and pick up a 10mm spanner > (that was left at a particular location) and when I was working on a > motorbike in the back garden and a mate popped in I would ask her to > "go get a 10mm ring spanner". Imagine their face when she does just > that. ;-) Worth doing. Even without the shock value! In fact, if you could have got her to distinguish between 10, 14 and 17mm, you would be well away with the bikes! -- Woody www.alienrat.com |