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From: Woody on 4 May 2010 10:54 T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: > On Tue, 4 May 2010 15:09:09 +0100, usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody) > wrote: > > > >> Fine if they actually do so without cutting you off from something > >> (like Flash). I wasn't aware of Flash before reading about it here and > >> certainly never saw it as an issue (outside clicking on 'You don' have > >> Flash installed, click here to do so' messages the first time you go > >> on the web etc. I can also se why Apple might not want to support it, > >> trying to swing the World round to their way of thinking (because they > >> are Apple) and if supporting it isn't easy for them (hardware > >> limitations etc). However, in the meantime I don't want to be left in > >> the cold or get involved in their arguments, I just want to be able to > >> use the web, warts and all? > > > >Certainly if that is important to you then it can be a big deal. > > And how do you know when it won' be a big deal for you? Like, I went > to a site the other day and the video demonstration re how the thing > worked was in Flash. How would that appear on the iPhone/Pad? True. Well, ok up until now it has never been an issue. I have seen sites that were flash only but none of them had been critical to what I was trying to do. > > I was > >refering to the multitouch. > > I know. OOI, doesn't N810 allow (maybe via the use of another browser) > full screen scrolling? It does. > This seemed to suggest it does (not exactly slick but real-world at > least <g>). Well, no, you still have the same issue, in that you still need some way of zooming and staying in the same place, which you can't achieve without smoothly. or at least as smoothly. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDe1gd-pBRo > >I guess I am lucky in not having to use any sites that use flash as > >anything other than advertising, so it is a bonus for me not having it > >(although obviously more of a bonus if it had it and I could switch it > >off like on my macbook). > > But isn't that like someone coming up to you and saying "Any spare > change"? One answer could be "I don't know, I haven't finished my life > yet ...?". Is it? I don't get you. I am not saying that I will never need it, but I haven't yet. As I said if it was there with an option to switch it off that would be perfect. > My point is whilst I'm not saying it's (Flash) is a good thing I know > it has it's uses and I have no issue with it. If however Flash causes > your Apple device to melt then I can see why you wouldn't want it! It doesn't cause it to melt. Use more power is about the worst. Although if you did zoom in to the point where the flash is all of your screen, it would be impossible to zoom back out, as flash doesn't understand the multitouch, so you would then have to quit the browser to get control back. Maybe that was one of the issues, I don't know. > >> Ok, well thanks for yer help and I guess I'll have to carry on looking > >> for a suitable solution. Maybe an old laptop with Ubuntu and a car PSU > >> left in the car and the Voda PAYG dongle kept in my pocket *would* > >> cover my needs till then. > > > >So what is wrong with the Palm, or doesn't it do proper web stuff? > > Not really, or certainly no predictably enough to be able to use it to > get out of trouble etc (like doing a 'Collect in store' order outside > the store and via a MiFi etc). ok > >> With Windows I get the 'Check Balance' option though. > > > >Check balance? it was worried it would fall over? > > The old cash point joke eh. ;-) Actually no, it didn't occur to me what you meant I wasn't thinking of the money! > No, because the PAYG dongle is new to me I don't have a feel for how > expensive it is (or isn't) to use yet. I'm getting to feel it's ok as > it's just showed me it still has �13.66 of credit after just > downloading a 5M test file and installing / testing it on numerous > machines (and doing a Collect in store order) over a good few months. > ;-) > > I actually managed to find another Voda dongle (�23 / new) on the same > deal (new ones expire after 30 days) and I've given it to daughter to > have with her in Scotland. Not that there is much chance of her ever > finding a signal up there of course ... ;-) Maybe one day! -- Woody
From: T i m on 4 May 2010 12:49 On Tue, 4 May 2010 15:54:33 +0100, usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody) wrote: >> And how do you know when it won' be a big deal for you? Like, I went >> to a site the other day and the video demonstration re how the thing >> worked was in Flash. How would that appear on the iPhone/Pad? > >True. Well, ok up until now it has never been an issue. I thought using Firefox wasn't an issue till it failed to display a whole settings pane on a router configuration screen! ;-( >I have seen >sites that were flash only but none of them had been critical to what I >was trying to do. Ah, so you are only using this for 'work'? (Cos I was talking generally and you seem to be talking specifically). > >> > I was >> >refering to the multitouch. >> >> I know. OOI, doesn't N810 allow (maybe via the use of another browser) >> full screen scrolling? > >It does. Ok. > >> This seemed to suggest it does (not exactly slick but real-world at >> least <g>). > >Well, no, you still have the same issue, in that you still need some way >of zooming and staying in the same place, which you can't achieve >without smoothly. or at least as smoothly. So it's just a smoothly rather than possibly thing? You *can* zoom and on the current centre but not smoothly? > >> But isn't that like someone coming up to you and saying "Any spare >> change"? One answer could be "I don't know, I haven't finished my life >> yet ...?". > >Is it? I don't get you. I am not saying that I will never need it, but I >haven't yet. See above (work use). I'm not a big web game player but I know there are some games that I play occasional that I understand are in Flash. So if I were to adopt the 'No Flash here' thing (and I have no idea why I or anyone would) then I would miss out .. Nose // spite face sorta thing? ie, I'm not aware of any negative implications of Flash. I don't generally get mis-directed to advert sites because of my Hosts file and Windows seems to cope with it ok. Maybe that's why I don't see 'the problem'? > As I said if it was there with an option to switch it off >that would be perfect. <shrug> > >> My point is whilst I'm not saying it's (Flash) is a good thing I know >> it has it's uses and I have no issue with it. If however Flash causes >> your Apple device to melt then I can see why you wouldn't want it! > >It doesn't cause it to melt. Use more power is about the worst. Ok, well that can be a genuine problem if running portably, depending on how much difference it makes and if you don't need the feature etc. Like turning off BT / WiFi / GPS when these functions are not in use. > Although >if you did zoom in to the point where the flash is all of your screen, >it would be impossible to zoom back out, as flash doesn't understand the >multitouch, so you would then have to quit the browser to get control >back. Ah? >Maybe that was one of the issues, I don't know. Well that could be easily avoided I'd imagine (don't zoom right in). ;-) "Doctor, it hurts my arm when I do this ..." > >> >> Ok, well thanks for yer help and I guess I'll have to carry on looking >> >> With Windows I get the 'Check Balance' option though. >> > >> >Check balance? it was worried it would fall over? >> >> The old cash point joke eh. ;-) > >Actually no, it didn't occur to me what you meant I wasn't thinking of >the money! Nor was I ... Old lady at cash point ... looks at me and says: "Excuse me, could you help me check my balance please". I push her and she goes down like a sack of sh .... <weg> > >> No, because the PAYG dongle is new to me I don't have a feel for how >> expensive it is (or isn't) to use yet. I'm getting to feel it's ok as >> it's just showed me it still has �13.66 of credit after just >> downloading a 5M test file and installing / testing it on numerous >> machines (and doing a Collect in store order) over a good few months. >> ;-) >> >> I actually managed to find another Voda dongle (�23 / new) on the same >> deal (new ones expire after 30 days) and I've given it to daughter to >> have with her in Scotland. Not that there is much chance of her ever >> finding a signal up there of course ... ;-) > >Maybe one day! Ere, on that, just though <sits down a bit dizzy> you mentioned Linux on the n810 and a USB host? I wonder if it would work one of the USB mobile bb dongles? Cheers, T i m
From: Woody on 4 May 2010 14:01 T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: > On Tue, 4 May 2010 15:54:33 +0100, usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody) > wrote: > > > > >> And how do you know when it won' be a big deal for you? Like, I went > >> to a site the other day and the video demonstration re how the thing > >> worked was in Flash. How would that appear on the iPhone/Pad? > > > >True. Well, ok up until now it has never been an issue. > > I thought using Firefox wasn't an issue till it failed to display a > whole settings pane on a router configuration screen! ;-( That is a problem! And a reminder never to use that brand of router again. Mine you I would think that that should go in the past soon, as IE market share has gone below 60% > >I have seen > >sites that were flash only but none of them had been critical to what I > >was trying to do. > > Ah, so you are only using this for 'work'? (Cos I was talking > generally and you seem to be talking specifically). No just general. I mean the things I saw that were flash only were generally 'media' companies with no real content. And one guitar site, but then there wasn't much on there worth seeing, there were better sites that gave info that wasn't on their site. So as a result I am not bothered either way whether I have flash or not - there have been no times on my iPhone where I have felt I couldn't do something because of the lack of flash. > >> > I was > >> >refering to the multitouch. > >> > >> I know. OOI, doesn't N810 allow (maybe via the use of another browser) > >> full screen scrolling? > > > >It does. > > Ok. > > > >> This seemed to suggest it does (not exactly slick but real-world at > >> least <g>). > > > >Well, no, you still have the same issue, in that you still need some way > >of zooming and staying in the same place, which you can't achieve > >without smoothly. or at least as smoothly. > > So it's just a smoothly rather than possibly thing? You *can* zoom and > on the current centre but not smoothly? more easily than smoothly. All I mean by that is trying it on the iPhone / iPod it is fluid and easy to use, in the way that I don't think about it unless lots of zooming is required (which can happen on some forums). On the other types of browsers it is not as fluid, and I get irritated with it faster (especially on forums with small paging indicators, such as, ironically, the Maemo forums!) Don't get me wrong, when I first tried the previous model, the 770, I was really impressed that it worked, and I went across the north easter states of the US using it. It failed in a couple of place as its browser wasn't as good (as the 810) and memory was a lot more restricted, but it was a positive benifit, and it would have been harder without it. The 810 is a great bonus on that, it is more compatible and doesnt run out of memory like the 770 did. > >> But isn't that like someone coming up to you and saying "Any spare > >> change"? One answer could be "I don't know, I haven't finished my life > >> yet ...?". > > > >Is it? I don't get you. I am not saying that I will never need it, but I > >haven't yet. > > See above (work use). I'm not a big web game player but I know there > are some games that I play occasional that I understand are in Flash. There are indeed, and obviously they wouldn't work on the iPod. On the other hand there are a lot of free games that do the same thing, so it doesn't make much difference in use. However, if you have a web game you like that isn't an app on the iPod, you would be out of luck. > So if I were to adopt the 'No Flash here' thing (and I have no idea > why I or anyone would) then I would miss out .. Nose // spite face > sorta thing? ie, I'm not aware of any negative implications of Flash. > I don't generally get mis-directed to advert sites because of my Hosts > file and Windows seems to cope with it ok. Maybe that's why I don't > see 'the problem'? I can see both sides of the problem, and am personally not bothered. I am not generally affected on the Mac by flash as I have a flash blocker, or on the iPhone as it doesn't have flash. But on the same token I am not affected (that I know of) through a lack of flash. On the grand scheme of things for me, the iPhone / iPod is the best online experience I have had on a truly portable mobile device, so until I can find something that is better (which I am sure will come out soon), I am not crying over a lack of flash > > As I said if it was there with an option to switch it off > >that would be perfect. > > <shrug> > > > >> My point is whilst I'm not saying it's (Flash) is a good thing I know > >> it has it's uses and I have no issue with it. If however Flash causes > >> your Apple device to melt then I can see why you wouldn't want it! > > > >It doesn't cause it to melt. Use more power is about the worst. > > Ok, well that can be a genuine problem if running portably, depending > on how much difference it makes and if you don't need the feature etc. > Like turning off BT / WiFi / GPS when these functions are not in use. > > > Although > >if you did zoom in to the point where the flash is all of your screen, > >it would be impossible to zoom back out, as flash doesn't understand the > >multitouch, so you would then have to quit the browser to get control > >back. > > Ah? > > >Maybe that was one of the issues, I don't know. > > Well that could be easily avoided I'd imagine (don't zoom right in). > ;-) Indeed. Back to my point of pressing pause on winamp which used to crash my PC. Simple answer, don't press pause! > Old lady at cash point ... looks at me and says: > > "Excuse me, could you help me check my balance please". > > I push her and she goes down like a sack of sh .... <weg> :) > >> No, because the PAYG dongle is new to me I don't have a feel for how > >> expensive it is (or isn't) to use yet. I'm getting to feel it's ok as > >> it's just showed me it still has �13.66 of credit after just > >> downloading a 5M test file and installing / testing it on numerous > >> machines (and doing a Collect in store order) over a good few months. > >> ;-) > >> > >> I actually managed to find another Voda dongle (�23 / new) on the same > >> deal (new ones expire after 30 days) and I've given it to daughter to > >> have with her in Scotland. Not that there is much chance of her ever > >> finding a signal up there of course ... ;-) > > > >Maybe one day! > > > Ere, on that, just though <sits down a bit dizzy> you mentioned Linux > on the n810 and a USB host? I wonder if it would work one of the USB > mobile bb dongles? hmm.. well, working is the thing isn't it - you would need a USB network driver for it. I don't know if one exists, but if it is complicated and pointless someone would have done it! -- Woody www.alienrat.com
From: Graeme on 4 May 2010 14:23 In message <1jhzcza.1yn5az91dqu0w7N%usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody) wrote: > T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: > > > On Tue, 4 May 2010 15:54:33 +0100, usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody) > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> And how do you know when it won' be a big deal for you? Like, I went > > >> to a site the other day and the video demonstration re how the thing > > >> worked was in Flash. How would that appear on the iPhone/Pad? > > > > > >True. Well, ok up until now it has never been an issue. > > > > I thought using Firefox wasn't an issue till it failed to display a > > whole settings pane on a router configuration screen! ;-( > > That is a problem! And a reminder never to use that brand of router > again. Mine you I would think that that should go in the past soon, as > IE market share has gone below 60% > I wonder how much of that market share is accounted for other browsers spoofing IE identity to avoid idiotic prohibitions. -- Graeme Wall My genealogy website <www.greywall.demon.co.uk/genealogy/>
From: Woody on 4 May 2010 14:51
Graeme <Graeme(a)greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote: > In message <1jhzcza.1yn5az91dqu0w7N%usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> > usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody) wrote: > > > T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 4 May 2010 15:54:33 +0100, usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody) > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >> And how do you know when it won' be a big deal for you? Like, I went > > > >> to a site the other day and the video demonstration re how the thing > > > >> worked was in Flash. How would that appear on the iPhone/Pad? > > > > > > > >True. Well, ok up until now it has never been an issue. > > > > > > I thought using Firefox wasn't an issue till it failed to display a > > > whole settings pane on a router configuration screen! ;-( > > > > That is a problem! And a reminder never to use that brand of router > > again. Mine you I would think that that should go in the past soon, as > > IE market share has gone below 60% > > > > I wonder how much of that market share is accounted for other browsers > spoofing IE identity to avoid idiotic prohibitions. Probably a very tiny fraction of a percent I would have thought. -- Woody www.alienrat.com |