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From: Woody on 3 May 2010 17:57
T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote:

> On Mon, 3 May 2010 20:28:48 +0100, usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody)
> wrote:
> > I will take some pics though so you can see.
>
> Cheers.

ok, here goes:

The screen is physically the same size, although the nokia has a higher
resolution.

<http://skitch.com/woody/db2s6/size>

which does give it quite fine resolution for text etc

<http://skitch.com/woody/db2ae/text>

So you can see that the resolution of the nokia

<http://skitch.com/woody/db2as/nokia-res>

is noticably higher when zoomed in than the iphone

<http://skitch.com/woody/db2a4/iphone-res>

The nokia has an old style interface with menus and sliders etc

<http://skitch.com/woody/db2a5/nokia-ui>


Ultimately the choice of what you wants depends on what you want to do.
The nokia is definately more of a geek toy than the iPhone, which would
be a lot better if it wasn't a bit of an awkward linux and awkward to
program. It certainly has a lot better interfaces, a dual type USB (host
and slave mode, depending on the cable), full bluetooth, wireless
(although as mentioned I can't connect it for some reason at the
moment), micro SD cards. Good battery life.

The UI is fiddly and very old school. It is very windows like, but
compounded by being very small and hard to access.

The resolution is better, and it has the separate keyboard. There are a
lot of programs for it, and as long as you don't confuse the software by
trying to update it with the wrong things (as I have lots - you know
linux package managers), it can do quite a lot.

Ultimately, I can type way faster on the iPhone, although all the
software is free and open on the nokia, there isn't anywhere near as
much as the iPod/iPhone, and even with the increased resolution on the
nokia, browsing the web is much harder, apart from on specific sites.

When it comes down to it, the iPhone never leaves my side, but it took
half an hour to find where I had last left the nokia. Obviously the
iPhone has the added advantage that it is a phone, so maybe the nokia
n900 would be better, but when I had the nokia, I still caried the iPod
to work.


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Woody

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From: T i m on 3 May 2010 19:09
On Mon, 3 May 2010 22:57:56 +0100, usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody)
wrote:

<snip good stuff (ta)>
>
>Ultimately the choice of what you wants depends on what you want to do.

Just have a fast switch-on portable terminal that I can actually see
and use on the real net for real things I guess?

>The nokia is definately more of a geek toy than the iPhone, which would
>be a lot better if it wasn't a bit of an awkward linux and awkward to
>program.

What sort of 'programming' are we talking about here?

> It certainly has a lot better interfaces, a dual type USB (host
>and slave mode, depending on the cable), full bluetooth, wireless
>(although as mentioned I can't connect it for some reason at the
>moment), micro SD cards. Good battery life.

Yup, all +'s for me and my sorta interest. ;-)
>
>The UI is fiddly and very old school. It is very windows like, but
>compounded by being very small and hard to access.

Better than the Palm T|X though would you say?
>
>The resolution is better, and it has the separate keyboard. There are a
>lot of programs for it, and as long as you don't confuse the software by
>trying to update it with the wrong things (as I have lots - you know
>linux package managers), it can do quite a lot.

Maybe I've been getting more used to it (Ubuntu) or it's getting
easier but I find it pretty easy for the GUI based stuff now. My A300
has XP, Vista, Ubuntu 9.1 and 10.04 on it now. ;-)
>
>Ultimately, I can type way faster on the iPhone, although all the
>software is free and open on the nokia, there isn't anywhere near as
>much as the iPod/iPhone,

I don't need an app for anything (well, other than the browser etc).
;-)

> and even with the increased resolution on the
>nokia, browsing the web is much harder, apart from on specific sites.

What sort of specific sites?
>
>When it comes down to it, the iPhone never leaves my side, but it took
>half an hour to find where I had last left the nokia. Obviously the
>iPhone has the added advantage that it is a phone, so maybe the nokia
>n900 would be better, but when I had the nokia, I still caried the iPod
>to work.

Understood and thanks for the pictures and comparisons etc.

Cheers, T i m

From: Woody on 4 May 2010 03:52
T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote:

> On Mon, 3 May 2010 22:57:56 +0100, usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody)
> wrote:
>
> <snip good stuff (ta)>
> >
> >Ultimately the choice of what you wants depends on what you want to do.
>
> Just have a fast switch-on portable terminal that I can actually see
> and use on the real net for real things I guess?

Well, it does that pretty well.

> >The nokia is definately more of a geek toy than the iPhone, which would
> >be a lot better if it wasn't a bit of an awkward linux and awkward to
> >program.
>
> What sort of 'programming' are we talking about here?

The sort of programming that I do and you don't, so probably not much of
relevance to you!

> > It certainly has a lot better interfaces, a dual type USB (host
> >and slave mode, depending on the cable), full bluetooth, wireless
> >(although as mentioned I can't connect it for some reason at the
> >moment), micro SD cards. Good battery life.
>
> Yup, all +'s for me and my sorta interest. ;-)
> >
> >The UI is fiddly and very old school. It is very windows like, but
> >compounded by being very small and hard to access.
>
> Better than the Palm T|X though would you say?

Well, I can't really say as I have never used one of those. Certainly it
has advantages over the normal palm system, although it has
disadvantages as well. There is more software for a palm, and the palm
has much better organiser software (the nokia is very weak in that
regard). I suspect its web is better. By default it has an opera style
browser, but you can also get fennec, which is a stripped down version
of firefox.

> >The resolution is better, and it has the separate keyboard. There are a
> >lot of programs for it, and as long as you don't confuse the software by
> >trying to update it with the wrong things (as I have lots - you know
> >linux package managers), it can do quite a lot.
>
> Maybe I've been getting more used to it (Ubuntu) or it's getting
> easier but I find it pretty easy for the GUI based stuff now. My A300
> has XP, Vista, Ubuntu 9.1 and 10.04 on it now. ;-)

I mean specifically the package manager. I quite often get to the point
where I can't update something as something else is missing, but it
won't update the missing thing, for whatever reason.
Unfortunately help when you get to that point is a bit limited, there is
the maemo forums, which are suprisingly friendly for a linux based
system (although there is still a certain number of linuxy people[1])
but that is about it.

> >Ultimately, I can type way faster on the iPhone, although all the
> >software is free and open on the nokia, there isn't anywhere near as
> >much as the iPod/iPhone,
>
> I don't need an app for anything (well, other than the browser etc).
> ;-)

Well, that is ok then!

> > and even with the increased resolution on the
> >nokia, browsing the web is much harder, apart from on specific sites.
>
> What sort of specific sites?

I was thinking it is probably better for the PCWorld sort of 'custom'
badly written sites that assume you are on IE.

> >When it comes down to it, the iPhone never leaves my side, but it took
> >half an hour to find where I had last left the nokia. Obviously the
> >iPhone has the added advantage that it is a phone, so maybe the nokia
> >n900 would be better, but when I had the nokia, I still caried the iPod
> >to work.
>
> Understood and thanks for the pictures and comparisons etc.

no probs.

[1] Linuxy people of the type who like the fact that it is hard to do
something basic


--
Woody
From: T i m on 4 May 2010 06:08
On Tue, 4 May 2010 08:52:55 +0100, usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody)
wrote:

>> Just have a fast switch-on portable terminal that I can actually see
>> and use on the real net for real things I guess?
>
>Well, it does that pretty well.

So is there a hard drive in there or is the OS ROM / nv RAM based?
>
>> >The nokia is definately more of a geek toy than the iPhone, which would
>> >be a lot better if it wasn't a bit of an awkward linux and awkward to
>> >program.
>>
>> What sort of 'programming' are we talking about here?
>
>The sort of programming that I do and you don't, so probably not much of
>relevance to you!

Indeed not! ;-)
>

>> Better than the Palm T|X though would you say?
>
>Well, I can't really say as I have never used one of those.

Ok.

> Certainly it
>has advantages over the normal palm system, although it has
>disadvantages as well. There is more software for a palm, and the palm
>has much better organiser software (the nokia is very weak in that
>regard).

Not something I would use realistically.

> I suspect its web is better. By default it has an opera style
>browser, but you can also get fennec, which is a stripped down version
>of firefox.

As long as it browses the net in a readable way I don't mind (and I've
always used Netscape / Mozilla / Firefox).
>

>> Maybe I've been getting more used to it (Ubuntu) or it's getting
>> easier but I find it pretty easy for the GUI based stuff now. My A300
>> has XP, Vista, Ubuntu 9.1 and 10.04 on it now. ;-)
>
>I mean specifically the package manager.

Like Synaptic?

>I quite often get to the point
>where I can't update something as something else is missing, but it
>won't update the missing thing, for whatever reason.

So that's the one on the Nokia specifically then as Synaptic seems
pretty good with all the dependencies etc (and there is no way I would
know what to do if it didn't).

>Unfortunately help when you get to that point is a bit limited, there is
>the maemo forums, which are suprisingly friendly for a linux based
>system (although there is still a certain number of linuxy people[1])
>but that is about it.

Ok.
>
>> >Ultimately, I can type way faster on the iPhone, although all the
>> >software is free and open on the nokia, there isn't anywhere near as
>> >much as the iPod/iPhone,
>>
>> I don't need an app for anything (well, other than the browser etc).
>> ;-)
>
>Well, that is ok then!

;-)
>
>> > and even with the increased resolution on the
>> >nokia, browsing the web is much harder, apart from on specific sites.
>>
>> What sort of specific sites?
>
>I was thinking it is probably better for the PCWorld sort of 'custom'
>badly written sites that assume you are on IE.

And does it do Flash? Until Apple change the world I think I'd like a
browser that can.
>
>
>[1] Linuxy people of the type who like the fact that it is hard to do
>something basic

Freaks.

Cheers, T i m

From: Woody on 4 May 2010 06:30
T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote:

> On Tue, 4 May 2010 08:52:55 +0100, usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody)
> wrote:
>
> >> Just have a fast switch-on portable terminal that I can actually see
> >> and use on the real net for real things I guess?
> >
> >Well, it does that pretty well.
>
> So is there a hard drive in there or is the OS ROM / nv RAM based?

No hard drive, all ram based. It has I think 4GB built in, and a slot
for whatever else you want.

> > Certainly it
> >has advantages over the normal palm system, although it has
> >disadvantages as well. There is more software for a palm, and the palm
> >has much better organiser software (the nokia is very weak in that
> >regard).
>
> Not something I would use realistically.

Good

> > I suspect its web is better. By default it has an opera style
> >browser, but you can also get fennec, which is a stripped down version
> >of firefox.
>
> As long as it browses the net in a readable way I don't mind (and I've
> always used Netscape / Mozilla / Firefox).

It does.

> >> Maybe I've been getting more used to it (Ubuntu) or it's getting
> >> easier but I find it pretty easy for the GUI based stuff now. My A300
> >> has XP, Vista, Ubuntu 9.1 and 10.04 on it now. ;-)
> >
> >I mean specifically the package manager.
>
> Like Synaptic?

Yes, that sort of thing. Not exactly sure what it is, but one of those
package managers

> >I quite often get to the point
> >where I can't update something as something else is missing, but it
> >won't update the missing thing, for whatever reason.
>
> So that's the one on the Nokia specifically then as Synaptic seems
> pretty good with all the dependencies etc (and there is no way I would
> know what to do if it didn't).

Yeh, they always trip me up. But my n810 is in a state where it won't
update properly as it requires some package that for some reason it
doesn't know about, and I don't know what to update. Or at least that is
how it was last time I tried.
I guess I need to put it back to factory, and then do a full update.

> >> > and even with the increased resolution on the
> >> >nokia, browsing the web is much harder, apart from on specific sites.
> >>
> >> What sort of specific sites?
> >
> >I was thinking it is probably better for the PCWorld sort of 'custom'
> >badly written sites that assume you are on IE.
>
> And does it do Flash? Until Apple change the world I think I'd like a
> browser that can.

Yes, it does. Not sure if it is flash light though. Hitting flash will
slow it to a crawl though but was never much of a problem for me, as I
don't tend to go to too many sites with flash on them. (and they are
mostly adverts)


This is quite a good review on it:
<http://www.last100.com/2008/02/25/hands-on-nokias-n810-internet-tablet/
>

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