Ping Bil Slowman; The global warming hoax reveiled
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From: Jan Panteltje on 26 Nov 2009 18:53 On a sunny day (Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:18:18 -0800 (PST)) it happened Bill Sloman <bill.sloman(a)ieee.org> wrote in <c32889da-14b3-40f6-8ab0-0a6519317da5(a)b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>: >On Nov 26, 7:35�pm, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> On a sunny day (Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:07:13 -0800 (PST)) it happenedBill Sl= >oman >> <bill.slo...(a)ieee.org> wrote in >> <6e3552a1-ae05-4a2c-835f-9f245f6d0...(a)m25g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>: >> >> >> Without the [fossile] energy companies there would be no media, no ene= >rgy= >> >, >> >> as your car does not run on electricity (yet). >> >> Without those machines, used to build cities, roads, transport goods, = >the= >> >re would be no civilisation >> >> and not even internet, and no printing material, no paper, some paper = >man= >> >ufacturers have their own power plants. >> >> >And if we keep on digging up fossil carbon and burning it, all these >> >nice things will go away again. >> >> >> Been there. >> >> Now wake up from your green dreams. >> >> >An ironic appeal, since it comes from someone who clearly doesn't know >> >what he is talking about. >> >> mm, why do you say that of everybody except your comic book scientists? > >I don't say it about everybody, but there are a number of people who >post here on subjects that they know very little about, and they quite >often post total nonsense. > >> >> Or renounce it all, and go live on one of the last energy free little = >isl= >> >ands... atolls... >> >> >Not necessary. We can generate all the energy we need without burning >> >fossil carbon. >> >> >And if you had read your newspaper this morning you would have learned >> >that your electricity and gas bills are going to go up to help pay for >> >the capital investment that is going to make this happen in the >> >Netherlands over the next couple of decades. >> >> Well, I read almost no paper newspapers, really, but I have a much faster= > internet >> news feed, of a much broader spectrum from many different countries, and = >Netherlands >> too. > >It is a pity you don't seem to be equipped to make sesne of all this >information. > >> That energy prices will go up is no news, it is the way the system works. >> That taxes will go up, exactly the same. >> All that said, a good thing I did not sign on some years ago for a fixed = >(high) energy > price, >> just got some Euros back on my yearly electricity bill, man was I right. >> But it also helped that I have the computer control all energy here. >> And I wrote the programs myself. >> Capital investment, well there are windmills here up the road, and a lot = >more further > on. >> Now they want to build some in the sea. > >Get up to date. the Danes have been doing it for years. > >http://www.dongenergy.com/EN/Media/Press%20releases/Pages/CisionDetails.asp= >x?cisionid=447507 > >> Have you calculated how much percentage those will supply? > >Not me, but it has been done by others > >http://www.pnas.org/content/106/27/10933.full > >> They still have not got the strength to build some nuke plants here... >> But this morning I was thinking that the best nuke plant location would p= >robably be >> Nijmegen. >> A great place for CO2 storage too ;-) > >Not really. Nobody ever found natural gas under Nijmegen. > >> So they build coal and natural gas plants... Fine with me, next they will >> import the coal from China, where >100 miners die each year. >> But those death are far away, do not weight on the political agenda I gue= >ss. >> And I think the same is happening with uranium mining, I have seen movies= > where all >> those >> guys had was a paper face mask... here is our society, >> taxes, profit, and lip service to reality. >> We are still a devouring animal type, really. >> Nature, we are part of it, and as we are part of it we need to accept the= > climate >> cycles > >I don't see any necessity to accept the climate cycles, and I'm >delighted that we have generated enough anthropogenic global warming >to prevent the the next ice age, which would have been due any >millenium now. > >However, one can have too much of good thing, and persisting in >injecting CO2 into the atmosphere has the potential to make as big a >mess of our civilisation as would the start of a new ice age. > >> unless we develop technology like terra forming that _really_ can change = >the climate, > maybe it will happen one day. > >If you had learned a bit more science when you were young, you'd be >aware that burning fossil carbon is an all-too-effective form of >terraforming. > >> But hiding CO2 under your bed won't work. > >Not for any extended period, but it would help to bridge the gap while >we are still building the windmills and the solar power plants that we >will need to replace coal, oil and gas-powered energy sources that we >rely on at the moment. > >-- >Bill Sloman, Nijmegen I am so sorry, SO SORRY SOOOOOOOOOO I did not realize that this is your *religion*. I do not argue religious beliefs with people, it is not possible.
From: Bill Sloman on 26 Nov 2009 18:55 On Nov 26, 5:25 pm, dagmargoodb...(a)yahoo.com wrote: > On Nov 25, 11:32 pm, Malcolm Moore <abor1953nee...(a)yahoodagger.co.nz> > wrote: > > > On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:00:13 -0800 (PST), dagmargoodb...(a)yahoo.com > > wrote: > > > >On Nov 25, 7:23 pm, Malcolm Moore <abor1953nee...(a)yahoodagger.co.nz> > > >wrote: > > >> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:25:27 -0800 (PST), dagmargoodb...(a)yahoo.com > > >> wrote: > > > >> >On Nov 25, 7:59 am,Bill Sloman<bill.slo...(a)ieee.org> wrote: <snip> > Let's dig through and re-create that conversation, shall we? <snipped his total failure to do anything of the sort> > > If you look at the subject for this thread you'll hopefully realise > > your claim to have brought it back on point is complete nonsense. And > > who appointed you thread controller of sed! > > Oh I just meant to bring Bill back to Jan's immediate point, of our > dependence on fossil fuels. As much as I admire France's nuclear > power and think we should do more of that, it's not a panacea--even > France is still critically dependent on fossil fuel, and I wanted to > know how dependent. So I added it up. ~82% from fossil fuel. Sure, But you conveniently - and dishonestly - ignored the fact that I was making a point about electricity. > > But I'm not foolish enough to try keeping Bill on any sort of topic-- > that's like herding fish. Considering that your debating tactics of necessity have to involve distracting people from the fatuous claims you make and subsequently can't support, this is delicious. > The thread topic was about a bunch of AGW promoters being caught > lying, manipulating data, conspiring against competitors, and so > forth. In fact the read is about a bunch of denialist nitsits trying to claim that bunch of hacked e-amils contain evidence of lying, manipulating data, conspiring against competitors, and so forth. You have to be a seriously demented ehthusiasm for conspiracy theories to read that into any of the e-mails I've seen, and nobody who has any credibility to preserve has endorsed any such claim. > Bill didn't like that topic - Of course not, it is nonsense. > so he raised a fuss and a bunch > of strawmen so we'd all talk about something else. This is a little transparent. James Arthur was silly enough to reveal that his "inside information" on global warming fraud was somebody in the business telling him that global climate models break down if asked to predict further ahead than a fornight, this revealing that he doesn't know the difference between a global weather model - which is subject to the butterfly effect - and a global climate model which isn't. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect http://www.ornl.gov/info/ornlreview/rev28_2/text/cli.htm This revealed that his claim to know anything about anthropogenic global warming was a total fraud, and he has been trying to distract attention from ths ever since. -- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
From: Michael A. Terrell on 26 Nov 2009 18:57 Jim Thompson wrote: > > One can only hope that Slowman will get a cardiologist who is so > ignorant to have never heard of tPA ;-) > > So effective that I went from chest-crushing pain to, "Can I go home > now?", in a few minutes time. With any luck he'll get a doctor who knows him. -- The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!
From: Bill Sloman on 26 Nov 2009 19:13 On Nov 25, 6:09 pm, John Larkin <jjSNIPlar...(a)highTHISlandtechnology.com> wrote: > On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:56:10 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman > > <bill.slo...(a)ieee.org> wrote: > >On Nov 24, 4:04 pm, John Larkin > ><jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:43:51 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman > > >> <bill.slo...(a)ieee.org> wrote: > >> >On Nov 24, 2:42 am, John Larkin > >> ><jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > >> >> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:31:49 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman > > >> >> <bill.slo...(a)ieee.org> wrote: > >> >> >On Nov 23, 5:43 pm, John Larkin > >> >> ><jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 04:12:23 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman > > >> >> >> <bill.slo...(a)ieee.org> wrote: > >> >> >> >On Nov 23, 12:06 pm, ChrisQ <m...(a)devnull.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> John Larkin wrote: <snip> > >> Are you into the 2012 cult? > > >Just far enough to know that nitwits like Rice Grise take it > >seriously, that it depends on some imagined feature of the Inca > >calender, and there are suggestions that 2012 isn't the magic year > >that it is claimed to be. It's just another form of astrology and > >appeals to the same kinds of fruitcakes. > > Like most disaster scenarios; AGW comes to mind. It comes to your mind, but you know remarkably little about science. > The serious disaster scenario is an asteroid or comet hit. The ISS > could be used as a detection/tracking platform and a staging area for > deflector missiles. We'd have serious international cooperation and > the ISS would finally have a use. Asteroids and comet impacts do lend themselves to dramatic film scenarios. John Barnes did use AWG in his end-of-the-world SF novel "Mother of Storms" http://www.amazon.com/Mother-Storms-John-Barnes/dp/0812533453 but nobody has made a film of it, for fairly obvious reasons. > >You should know me well enough to have been able to predict that > >answer, or something very like it. > > I have no useful mental model for sour, grim, useless, and hostile > people like you. Earth is too wonderful a planet, and our visit here > too short, to waste it. Everybody who jeers at your nonsense posts is sour, grim and hostile? You are being a little transparent here. > That said, I'm off for a hike on the Pacific Crest Trail. Next trip > up, it will probably be snowed in. That's OK, that means we can ski. Have fun. -- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
From: Bill Sloman on 26 Nov 2009 19:13
On Nov 26, 8:48 pm, John Fields <jfie...(a)austininstruments.com> wrote: > On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:26:45 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman > > <bill.slo...(a)ieee.org> wrote: > >I must say he's wasted quite a lot of time and bandwidth demonstating > >that he doesn't bother to engage his brain before applying his fingers > >to the keyboard. > > --- > PKB, Mr. "I can extract energy from the variable magnetic field > surrounding a conductor carrying an alternating current by wrapping a > solenoid around it." That was Joel Koltner's claim and he stuck a smilely after it. Try not to be quite so transparently stupid. -- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen |